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Matt Lucas thinks 5 year olds can change sex

55 replies

Bluestitch · 19/03/2019 00:05

He's just been congratulating Sam Smith for coming out as 'non binary' and joined the debate.

mobile.twitter.com/RealMattLucas/status/1107639963733114880

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littlbrowndog · 19/03/2019 09:48

Yeah a 5 year old is a child

They think they are different things at different times
Don’t mean we believe them
Only trans has this affect where adults lose all their common sense and their brains

Bluestitch · 19/03/2019 09:44

This insanity in which young children are attributed with the maturity and agency to determine their gender is so very similar to the narrative promoted by the Paedophile Information Exchange in the 1980s.

Thank you for this, you've managed to articulate why I feel so uneasy about this, in a way I couldn't. Grown adults trying to erode the basic concepts of age of maturity and consent, and using such little kids to do it is so sickening.

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ApplesinmyPocket · 19/03/2019 09:18

If we only could gradually move society towards genderless everything... clothes, presentation, jobs, even names... then the whole ideology would be stripped bare, wouldn't it?

There would be nothing to change, no other side to swap to - nothing left but a hankering to have breasts/vagina when you have a penis, to grow babies inside you instead of seeding them in someone else - and even the woke but dim would find it easier to see that that's a mental problem which should be treated as such.

NellieEllie · 19/03/2019 09:07

But why all this rubbish about “listen to the child”. Yes, of course, listen. But that doesn’t mean go along with all they say in life changing ways! Why start all these conversations with children about gender? Ideally kids up to 5 are not even aware of their own sex to any extent. They should be busy finding out about the world, playing, interacting with family. We “gender” our kids too quickly. I remember the horror of one mum when I put a pink beaker in front of her 4yr old son on a tea date, I didn’t think twice about it. I had a set of colours and mine drunk out of whatever was clean. But no, “he won’t drink out of that!” I was told.

I’m sick of hearing how relieved transitioning kids are finally able to get hair cut/let hair grow, or paint their bedrooms pink/blue or exchange their dinosaurs for unicorns and vice versa. At 5, this is what a child means when they say they “want to be a boy/girl”. They just don’t like the toys.......

hoodathunkit · 19/03/2019 08:46

Children are not sufficiently mature or developed to consent to sex, neither are they sufficiently mature or developed to take hormones or undergo mutilating "gender reassignment" surgery.

WTF is wrong with people?

McTufty · 19/03/2019 08:45

prequelle

That is fucking ridiculous.

hoodathunkit · 19/03/2019 08:44

This insanity in which young children are attributed with the maturity and agency to determine their gender is so very similar to the narrative promoted by the Paedophile Information Exchange in the 1980s.

Back then people working in the public sector and in child protection were provided with all kinds of insane training and literature that claimed to be about "empowering young people" when in reality it was about making young people, including young children, available to be abused with impunity.

This insanity has to stop

McTufty · 19/03/2019 08:44

Totally agree rufus, awful it has come to this!

More generally though in society, in life, people will always disagree on stuff. Respectful disagreement is part of life and I can cope with it.

HandsOffMyRights · 19/03/2019 08:44

My cousins 5 year old has come home from school with a letter saying they're banning the use of 'boy' and 'girl'. I'm not sure what they're supposed to use instead.

Blue and pink or white I believe.

Prequelle · 19/03/2019 08:41

My cousins 5 year old has come home from school with a letter saying they're banning the use of 'boy' and 'girl'. I'm not sure what they're supposed to use instead.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 19/03/2019 08:32

Oh and obviously your last sentence is completely correct

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 19/03/2019 08:32

mctufty

I appreciate your point but what sort of a society do we live in that brownie points should be given to someone who is polite and hasn't called anyone nasty names

Surely thats a basic!!

(I know we live in a society that thinks thats all ok but i wish we didnt)

McTufty · 19/03/2019 08:20

To be fair to Matt Lucas, he accepts he hasn’t done much reading and he has engaged politely without telling anyone they’re a bigot. He said to Glinner that they see it differently but it doesn’t affect their friendship.

Frankly if more of those who believe in the gender ideology were more like him, women wouldn’t be threatened and doxxed and it would be far easier to get somewhere.

KenDoddsDadsDogsDead18 · 19/03/2019 08:13

I suspect it's coming from a place of 'kindness' and a desire to be accepting & empathy. Having had his own mental health battles, they are probably colouring his view. I'm not legitimising his views by the way. He's not particularly talking from a 'rights' point of view, although affirming a child of 6/7 inevitably opens that door.

I'm sure he's given this matter more thought, than he cracks on & is now firmly entrenched. No rowing back for Matt.

Okokokok · 19/03/2019 07:52

When I was 7/8 I called myself a boys name, had short hair, wore boys clothes etc. Thankfully everyone around me laughed it off and let me get on with it. I dread to think if adults had started telling me that yes I was actually a boy, and that I could change into a boy if I wanted, what path I would have been led down.
If all the adults in my life had started taking me to meetings about being transgender etc, telling me I was right and I absolutely was a boy I would have believed them. I would also imagine all the attention would have been quite heady and addictive.
I was no more a boy than I was a unicorn. Terrifying that children cannot just use their imagination and be what they want to be that day, week, month or year without adults getting involved!

StephsCaddy · 19/03/2019 07:44

I’m so sick of men blithely giving women’s rights away. The fucking cheek of it.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 19/03/2019 07:37

I really don't understand hiw someone can say a child has changed sex

They obviously bloody havnt even if you do believe at a stretch that a sex change is even possible

If the parents encourage a wait and see attitude which of course they bloody should do and the child later decides they are not trans...

Did they change sex back?

There was that person, (and I can't say whether they are a man or a woman cos they keep changing it it and god forbid i should misgender someone...could be arrested,) who has had multiple operations

WeRiseUp · 19/03/2019 07:35

What a dickhead.

Pinkarsedfly · 19/03/2019 07:35

Matt Lucas reveals himself to be misogynistic?

Anyone who has ever watched Little Britain won’t be shocked.

FriendOrFaux · 19/03/2019 07:31

Meant to add, I'm very much a woman now.
Why is there so much talk of trans now? Why are there so many of our young people wanting to change? Changing sex is impossible.

FriendOrFaux · 19/03/2019 07:29

The world's gone mad.

When I was 7-8 I was a typical tomboy. Loved playing football, bmx biking, climbing trees etc, all my friends were boys, hated dresses, had my hair cut short. I also used to beg my DM to buy me clothes that my DB would wear, like Ben sherman shirts etc.

I suppose if that happened now I'd be classed as trans.

RockyFlintstone · 19/03/2019 07:17

He is desperately trying to make up for Emily Howard on Little Britain.

Personally I think this is spot on and strangely prophetic actually!

CallingDannyBoy · 19/03/2019 07:13

Sue was fantastic on that thread.

HandsOffMyRights · 19/03/2019 07:11

I'm not even surprised anymore when a man says this. Even those comedy writers I thought were astute enough to see the emperor has no clothes. Makes me even more grateful to Glinner.

It hurts more when women support the ideology.

AnyFucker · 19/03/2019 07:05

our daughter came out as herself at the age of 7

Ok

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