Josie Long refers to women as 'terfs'

anyone who says anything rude about Owen jones raises a red flag

[wonders whether to laugh or cry, laugh or cry]

Two. Same as mine

A more relevant question might be: How many sexes are there in her world?

I just saw that about the massive red flag and also the line of mermaids. I'd never heard of her before but don't think I'll be bothering with her somehow.

Yes, I saw that. In world where we're worried about the red flags around safeguarding wrt women and children, and the loopholes created by AWA ideology for predators to sail straight through, she thinks being 'rude' about Owen Jones is a red flag.

What colour is the sky in her world, I wonder?

...a club you have to sign up for.....and buy into. I guess that's her social circle.

I'd never heard of her, and just googled the name. Her Twitter account came up with a tweet saying that " anyone who says anything rude about Owen jones raises a red flag" for her. It's a club.

On the other hand, I'd be massively disappointed if John Finnemore, who is one of my comedy heroes, turned out to support the TRA line.

Finnemore’s comedy seems to be founded on his sharp mind and well developed instinct for bullshit detection, so it would be a disappointment.

But I used to think more of conspicuously-keeping-his-own-counsel David Mitchell, so y’know...

I used to love Brigstocke, but he seems to have gone full woke now, and there seems to be much more anger in his comedy than ever before, and I'm not finding him very funny.

I don't think it's surprising comedians don't address GC stuff. Punching down at minorities has been out of favour with a mainstream audience for a while now.
Someone like Sascha Baron Cohen still does it somewhat and seems to get away with it.

I've never heard of her.
I think Jonathan Pie has touched on trans stuff but more as part of his distaste for identity politics in a wider sense. I watched a most enjoyable interview he did with Owen Jones who obviously expected them to be pally and on the same side and this was not the case...JP is not tribal.

[Brigstocke] was one of the first signs I was becoming disillusioned with progressive politics. Years back the lovely progressive people around me were lapping up his stuff as I was finding it less funny and more lazy and sneering. I started to realise that there was something really nasty in "look at those wrong-thinkers who are morally inferior to us!".

Yep, me too.

I think what bothers me is the sense that a lot of them have a fair bit of down-punching class contempt going on.

but that joke's the same kind of set-up as "God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" and relies on a belief in the Bible in the first place for it to work

Nah, I don't think it does and I don't expect Marilyn believes the story of Noah and the ark. It just requires an understanding of why you would have to take a male and a female of each species to repopulate the earth.

She has quite a sweet series on Radio 4 called Shortcuts, which is basically people just telling stories about their lives. Her standup isn't very funny, though. I'm not that bothered that she's swallowed the Kool Aid - so many have.

On the other hand, I'd be massively disappointed if John Finnemore, who is one of my comedy heroes, turned out to support the TRA line.

Ally all you want. People don’t forget though so choose carefully. Boooo you!

Along the same lines, Jonathan Pie, who's main thrust is to say the unsayable and vigorously attack both Left and Right, hasn't got the balls to cover this. I don't always find him funny, but he often hits the nail on the head and i'd like to hear what he had to say about tg issues

It's a shame because her charity Arts Emergency, providing mentoring and a contacts network for working class kids wanting a career in the arts, does bloody good work.

I think both of them know that transwomen aren't really women.

If that’s the case and they don’t feel able to be openly GC, it would be better if they said nothing, rather than perpetuate anti-science, anti-women sentiments. Anything else is thoroughly dishonest and self-serving.

Why does being an ally mean throwing women under the bus?

It is the basest and laziest of tribalism: allying yourself to whoever has power. You can be sure if women had power, allies would be sucking up to us.

Didn't Ian or Paul make a comment once on HIGNFY about Trans and then quickly said 'no you don't want to go there'

The idea being that you couldn't criticise the ideology publicly. Would be funny if it wasn't true

I'm completely unsurprised thatJosie Long has this view.

I see the mention of Marcus Brigstocke by WokerThanWoke.

He was one of the first signs I was becoming disillusioned with progressive politics. Years back the lovely progressive people around me were lapping up his stuff as I was finding it less funny and more lazy and sneering. I started to realise that there was something really nasty in "look at those wrong-thinkers who are morally inferior to us!".

Ironically, we're the ones who are always accused of being ignorant when in fact we're just more experienced and know what we're talking about from first hand experience

This is so true. Most of the people I know are "trans" (in the modern sense), not just "some of my friends are..." (lol) but like 90% of them. That's how I know what the ideology is and how damaging it is for women both in our communities who have either gone to the sidelines, left altogether, or are now trans-identified themselves, and outside of our communities, i.e. I know damn well who might be ID'ing into their spaces and I know that the situation would not be fair, or safe.

Disappointing from Josie, thank heavens I don’t find her funny.

I’ve recently come across James Dreyfus (Gimme Gimme Gimme) on Twitter - part of his bio says “don’t call me cis”. He’s a gay male actor/comedian speaking out, he’s donated to Vancouver Rape Relief, called out Antony Watson etc.

Gives me hope!

I did Google, always interesting to discover new minor celebs.

Julia, there's a difference between an online chat area for parents and women's prison. Honestly hun. There really is.

Shame she feels she has to resort to slurs.