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Josie Long refers to women as 'terfs'

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abuseofpowercomesasnosurprise · 17/03/2019 22:53

...and defends the Mermaids jelly baby scale. I'm so pissed off at people like this who have apparently done zero research and yet are happy to put their woke two cents in whilst also casually using misogynistic slurs. How can they not see how utterly sexist it all is? How is calling other women by a derogatory slur at all productive? How is using gender stereotypes in any way helpful? How about if we used them for race? Where would you fit on the race scale? Do you like eating watermelon and ribs or do you have a good sense of rhythm? Then you're more at the black end of the scale. No no no no no. The stereotypes are the problem, we don't need to work with the stereotypes we've got and be told to pick a place on the scale, we need to escape them altogether. FFS.

Josie Long refers to women as 'terfs'
Josie Long refers to women as 'terfs'
Josie Long refers to women as 'terfs'
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nettie434 · 07/04/2019 09:20

I seem to remember he got a huge backlash for that stance, to the extent of deleting the tweet. One of the rare examples along with Glinner where a full pile on from transgender activists and allies was directed at a man. He had specifically emphasised his concern were about children, not transgender adults, but he got the full treatment

hipsterfun · 06/04/2019 23:00

What’s he said this year, though? It is now April Hmm

TheMagicFupa · 06/04/2019 19:55

Apologies for resurrecting this thread, but I've just found this article in Pink News in which Robert Webb calls himself "a gender critical feminist". He made the announcement after Janice Turner was attacked for an article she wrote in the Sunday Times criticising Mermaids and their tactics.

He wrote: "This won't make me popular in certain quarters, but f--- it, I'm with Janice and I don't say it often enough."

He added that pro-trans men "can shove their influence up their arses... I'll influence them under the table... Sorry I've been such a coward this year,"

And finished with, "telling girls and boys they are in the wrong body because they don't conform to gender stereotypes is certainly a step back into the dark."

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/12/24/robert-webb-trans-kids-mermaids/

He's just gone up quite drastically in my estimation. Good on you, Robert! Flowers

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 22/03/2019 15:49

it's got a good beat

hipsterfun · 22/03/2019 15:47

Lovely. Milky milky.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 22/03/2019 12:17

The Now Show is dreadful

Punt and Dennis were teenage heroes of mine. i still love them a lot, particularly steve punt

but I agree that it's all a bit smug

Ribbonsonabox · 22/03/2019 12:16

Gender is not a fucking sliding scale!! It just doesnt exist! It's a construct... people may be socialised in different ways and sometimes that divides up along sex dividers BUT most people are a mixture of characteristics that you could define as traditionally associated with men or women... ist not a bloody scale!! You can simultaneously love barbies and gi Joe's!! You cant be less or more feminine than someone else ITS A CONSTRUCT!!!
Fuck sake. And you might like to wear a floaty pink dress out dancing one day and then Jean's and a giant jumper to do some gardening the next... does that make you none binary??!

Sorry stuff like this just grinds my gears.
It is misogynistic... 'Woman' isnt a bunch of likes and dislikes, attitudes and poses... we are actual complicated, real human beings who just happen to have vaginas!

deydododatdodontdeydo · 22/03/2019 12:10

John Finnemore occassionally guests on the Now Show, along with some other good comedians.
I liked Mitch Benn, though, better than any of his replacements.

Melroses · 22/03/2019 12:06

The Now Show is dreadful

yes, this ^

hackmum · 22/03/2019 10:50

The Now Show is dreadful. It is so so pleased with itself.

John Finnemore, on the other hand, is one of my comedy heroes.

ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 22/03/2019 10:38

sanctimonious radio 4 comedy

Grin

Sanctimonious does sum up a lot of BBC comedy, they tend to focus on moralising rather than humour. They aren't fun to listen to.

HorsewithnoBrexitplan · 22/03/2019 09:54

I haven't listened to the Now Show for at least 2 /3 years now. I think I stopped being left wing around 10 years ago but was still clinging on to The Guardian and sanctimonious radio 4 comedy. It's actually a relief now to be done with the lot of them.

Just described me, lass. (That sounds a bit Yorkshire, non?)

Those bloody awful songs by Mitch Benn...

JugzyMalone · 20/03/2019 13:59

Disappointed but not surprised.

@MrsBertBibby why do you think John finnemore is GC? I love him and he MUST be.

Also disappointed by silence from coren-Mitchells but they don't have to speak publicly I guess. There's no way RW hasn't discussed it with them.

justasking111 · 20/03/2019 13:22

Josie is a Doctor Who fan since childhood, well that is a real feminist bastion Grin

LassOfFyvie · 20/03/2019 13:17

Don't know much about Grace Petrie, but I always skip her when she's on the Now Show, her songs are teeth gratingly awful

I haven't listened to the Now Show for at least 2 /3 years now. I think I stopped being left wing around 10 years ago but was still clinging on to The Guardian and sanctimonious radio 4 comedy. It's actually a relief now to be done with the lot of them.

deydododatdodontdeydo · 20/03/2019 11:38

Don't know much about Grace Petrie, but I always skip her when she's on the Now Show, her songs are teeth gratingly awful.
They replaced the very funny Mitch Benn with a succession of mostly women comedy singers, all of which sound very similar and none of which are funny.
Great for diversity, but not so great for comedy.

ChattyLion · 20/03/2019 09:53

Me too working most of the time in male dominated work places/industries. I find it so much more draining.

And I try hard not to collaborate and I try to build in non sexist attitudes, policies, practice wherever I can which takes more effort and time and attracts much more negative attention than not doing so. Or than actively pulling up the ladder behind me to shut out other women would do.

Also why I ended up working in a place that lets (I think- I am not a doctor) AGP TWs into the women’s work toilets.. because the male domination culture is so absolute it’s not even a question why this might not be OK. Come right on into the Ladies, men! Nobody minds.. Hmm

Probably why handmaidens wind me up because they are such self-harming sell outs and they actually harm others day to day life and others prospects for their own advantage.

They’re not as bad as than the sexist arseholes who first made them think that way though. That’s all on the sexist arseholes..

AstonishedFemalePersonator · 20/03/2019 09:52

I’ve got a typology of handmaidens

Hah! Can you imagine? There aren't enough mods in the world to handle the number of complaints MNHQ would get. Plus, you would get a MN ban-for-life.

ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 20/03/2019 09:47

It is easier and important to be "inclusive" than to think. Virtue-signalling precludes critical thinking.

I agree. I don't think that many put much, if any thought into what they are saying.

If twaw and tmam, would everyone be happy for transmen to be placed in a male prison? Would Josie campaign for that?

AstonishedFemalePersonator · 20/03/2019 09:43

Why do handmaidens feel the need?

It is easier and important to be "inclusive" than to think. Virtue-signalling precludes critical thinking.

I makes me laugh and despair in equal measure how people decry the "post-truth" culture but will slurp the kook-aid regarding lady brains.

Dexra · 20/03/2019 09:36

I suspect with Josie long, it's a combination of a big part of her identity narrative being 'I am leftwing!' along with a complete lack of intellectual curiosity.
I remember reading Germaine Greer's comments on trans women and feeling a bit uncomfortable, but, like most on here I suspect, I respected her enough to read up and of course the whole trans ideology disintegrates completely when subjected to any scrutiny. I think she just hasn't got the brain to want to challenge parts of her ideology that she's grown to be comfortable with - she likes the Labour message of looking after the vulnerable rather than the class analysis, but isn't even prepared to look at who the vulnerable are, or question whether "looking after" really means lying to, prescribing drugs, surgery etc.

hipsterfun · 20/03/2019 09:32

Why do handmaidens feel the need?

I’ve got a typology of handmaidens but it wouldn’t get past FWR peer review i.e. there isn’t a plate large enough for the ensuing arse-handing Grin

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 20/03/2019 08:57

I’ve always worked in ‘male’ industries. I’ve never been a ‘familiar’ for gods sake.

Women I have come across who do act like this have generally been not very good at their jobs.

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abuseofpowercomesasnosurprise · 20/03/2019 08:46

Josie works in a very male dominated field, she's probably survived in her career by appeasing men - male comedians can be massive narcissists and a big factor for them going into comedy is trying to pull women. Little surprise then that she sides with the group who say they are most oppressed whilst simultaneously their most vocal component are mainly white, middle-class men (who claim to be women). Perhaps she thinks she's superior to other women because she's made a career in her field and so doesn't have to take other women's concerns seriously. It is surprising though, with all her hatred of the Tories which often forms part of her stand-up, that she's so unquestioningly supportive of the Tory plan to reform the GRA. Why does this get a free pass where everything else would be subject to her scrutiny?

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 20/03/2019 08:44

Girl? How very dare you.