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Twice I have 'put a man in hospital' by standing up to him

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bechdel · 17/03/2019 15:04

The thread on Anthony Watson try to put the Economist finance editor in her place has made me think about this.

The first time I 'put a man in hospital' (as the narrative goes, when I get blamed for it latterly) was a man in his early 60s who was responsible for me being abused as a child.

He told me to back down and shut up about it. I told him I wouldn't. He promptly had a stroke.

Second time was a man (also in his 60s) who was bullying me at work over a protected characteristic. I let the evidence mount up then got legal representation and told him I was suing him.

He ended up in hospital that night.

My fault. All my fault apparently, for opening my uppity mouth instead of caving under the narcissistic rage created by not doing as I'm told.

I'm sad for both of them that they got ill. But I refuse to accept either of these incidents as my fault. Which is forever how they will see them.

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AlwaysColdHands · 19/03/2019 20:46

Good for you
Deeds not words!

Hope you have some support (eg Union representation?) to help with work/ management
And Gin

nicenewdusters · 19/03/2019 20:27

I had to stand up to some people several years ago who wreaked havoc in my life and those around me. If I ever hear that their health has diminished as a result of their actions, which lead to my actions, I'll be booking a brass band. If I had any fucks left to give OP I'd give you one, but you don't need any either. I say good for you, your conscience is clear.

IWriteCode · 19/03/2019 10:18

If I may....fuck that for a game of soldiers. It's not exclusive to men, my grandma was able to make herself have a heart attack every time my mum decided to do something fun without her.

Shame on those who are trying to shame you for the consequences of those despicable men.

DadJoke · 19/03/2019 10:15

How different the world would be if every time a man was rightly accused of misogyny he had a stroke!

Whatisthisfuckery · 19/03/2019 10:13

Bechdel Such a shame we can only make bad things happen. Loads of times in my life I’ve thought I’ve done something clever, or useful, or worthwhile, and it turns out that it was a man who did it all along. Men work their powers of good through evil women, and women work their powers of evil through good men. Proof indeed that women are more powerful beings than men.

GCAcademic · 19/03/2019 10:04

I don't suppose you take requests do you, OP? It's just that there's an obnoxious neighbour of mine who is really getting on my tits.

bechdel · 19/03/2019 09:35

Whatisthisfuckery - sorry you turned someone into an alcoholic too, you are even more powerful than me!

The person who had a stroke (btw user149 also the same person who taught me that females are just for sex, so no, of course never encouraged me to stand up for myself) was an obese alcoholic but somehow his lifestyle had nothing to do with his illness. Just me. Amazing!

Thanks for all your support :)

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Happynow001 · 19/03/2019 08:47

Bechdel: it takes courage to stand up for yourself especially when those who are supposed to Love/care for you or who are otherwise in a position of authority over you range themselves against you. More power to you.

Palace13 · 19/03/2019 08:29

Cor, look at you with your super powers!! Felling men left, right and centre with your black magic 🤣🤣IF ONLY!
You are brave and strong. It takes guts in this world for a woman to stand up as you have done. Especially when you've been abused. Believe me, I know.
All power to you. (If only courage and a working moral compass really did give us super powers!)

Bowlofbabelfish · 19/03/2019 08:19

you did not cause this!

Although what a superpower if you could... ;)

Whatisthisfuckery · 18/03/2019 20:56

I was taught not to moan, because according to my mother, people don’t want to hear me moan. My mother was one who would use the threat of my dad to keep us in line. ‘You’ll bloody jump for it when your dad gets back.’ Then she’d seemingly forget about the offence for the rest of the day until dad got back, when she’d start up again, and dad would shout and scream and chase us upstairs and wallop us with whatever was to hand. He had a bit of a temper did my dad, and more than once, well more than 100 times he said he wanted to kill me. Once my mother told me that it was a good job I was a girl, or my dad would’ve beaten me up by now. So no, standing up for ourselves was never something we were encouraged to do.

My DS can be a gobby little shit at times but I never raise my hand to him, and I’ve never told him I want to kill him, and I encourage him to stand his ground while also considering his actions on others.

Oldermum156 · 18/03/2019 20:40

Every time I stand up to a man people act like the sky is falling.

user1498572889 · 18/03/2019 20:37

I must admit to being bemused by people thinking it is not “normal” to standup for themselves where men are concerned. I was brought up to defend myself and stand up to anyone man woman young old who had done/said something unacceptable to me. Am I lucky to have been bought up in a family where self confidence was encouraged. I have spoken to my siblings/cousins about this and we all agree that we were raised to be confident in any situation with any person.

Whatisthisfuckery · 18/03/2019 20:26

Well apparently it’s all my fault that my ex has become an alcoholic, despite him always being a problem drinker. It’s because I left him that he needed to consume 180 units of alcohol per week, and that he lost his job because of it, and that he ignored the symptoms of his existing eye condition and lost the sight in one eye, and that he’s now got serosis of the liver and neuropathy and can’t walk very well. That’s all my fault that is. He’s moved in a new (slave) partner, kept our house which me and DS had to flee because of his escalating abusive behaviour and aggression, and he’s got all the stuff we accrued throughout our marriage, but it’s not enough and it’s all my fault.

I must be one super badass witch of a woman to cause all that shit.

Oldermum156 · 18/03/2019 20:11

I'm not sad for them!

Moralitym1n1 · 17/03/2019 22:28

They put themselves in hospital.

Were possibly faking for sympathy and to try to get off the hook too (ah I see the second one was).

bechdel · 17/03/2019 22:18

Good point whereyoleftit. The first one was confirmed illness.

The second I fear classic DARVO.

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WhereYouLeftIt · 17/03/2019 22:15

I have read many a thread on Mumsnet where the OP was being bullied by e.g. their mother or MIL, and it was often pointed out to them by other MNers that now they had stood up to their manipulative relative, that relative was likely to up the ante by having a health crisis. It was a known ploy (known to many MNers who had been in similar situations) of abusers to get the abused back under their thumb.

Presumably your first abuser 's stroke was confirmed? You still didn't cause it even if it was, fear of being held to account might have been involved but its tenuous. (Your mother's an arsehole, by the way.) Your second abuser "ended up in hospital that night" - oh, I do wonder.

Regardless, YOU, OP, put nobody in hospital.

And well done for standing your ground. Flowers

bechdel · 17/03/2019 22:14

And I take no glee in either of them being ill. None whatsoever.

But I'll look after me and they can look after them.

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bechdel · 17/03/2019 22:13

mumwon, thanks. It wasn't a protected characteristic to do with sex or gender reassignment it was another one (won't disclose here, bit outing).

redexpat, sure, I'll budge up Grin

On a more serious note, I think the thing that both men found confusing is that they tried to mollify me and also pulled the usual spreading rumours that I must be mad etc etc.

But I think the thing that shocked them both is that I wouldn't just 'be nice' and acquiesce (bit like the post upthread where the mother expected harassment to be dropped in the name of being nice).

It was like kryptonite to them - having not achieved anything with there-thering me and calling me mad they pulled out the big guns and expected me to be shut up in the name of being nice and the fact that I wouldn't seemed to be what tipped them both over the edge.

I was polite, firm, assertive but not 'nice' enough to drop things. That left them nowehere to go.

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redexpat · 17/03/2019 22:06

Is there room on your broom for a terf like me?

mumwon · 17/03/2019 22:01

FYI according to
www.sheffield.ac.uk/hr/equality/focus/2.5491/protected
sex is a protected characteristic ie male & female according to the human rights etc

MrsTerryPratchett · 17/03/2019 20:28

Oh yes AncientLights, I'm totally a witch

In the very best sense.

bechdel · 17/03/2019 20:24

Thank you all Flowers

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TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 17/03/2019 19:19

I put a man in hospital by discovering his sexual abuse of a vulnerable person and insisting it was properly investigated. He lost his job and his reputation and harmed himself in a fairly drastic way. I have no regrets whatsoever.

It is not the responsibility of women to protect abusive men from the consequences of their own actions.