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The Lessons of Leaving Neverland/Parallels to Our Times

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GeorgeFayne · 15/03/2019 23:54

I just finished watching the documentary Leaving Neverland and found it incredibly compelling and disturbing. I can't get it off my mind. It's bigger than just Michael Jackson and even child sexual abuse. I see some clear parallels to several ongoing cultural issues and thought I'd share.

The narrative that was presented years ago and, regrettably, that I even somewhat bought into was the idea that Michael Jackson was just an innocent childlike figure who had been deprived of his own childhood. The phrase "child's brain trapped in a man's body" was even used (sound familiar?) and sadly many of us fell for it. As he paraded and flaunted his victims in front of the whole world, there was very little questioning or outcry. We bought the story and we're buying it again. Children are being abused right in front of us, (did you see the 4th Wave Now Tweets?), and the narrative is...let it happen. Transitioning children with gender dysphoria at a young age is the loving and compassionate course of action. To withhold treatment would be cruel and damaging. The gaslighting by TRAs has been incredibly successful here in the US (and Canada).

Also, I found it interesting that both mothers featured in the documentary had moments where they did question what was happening, but actively talked themselves out of their concern. I have always felt that mothers (not all, but many) have an instinctual drive to protect their children, an inherent gut sense when their offspring are threatened or in danger. When we talk ourselves down and try to ignore or rationalize the alarms, our children are at risk. Mothers are speaking out, concerned about men in women's spaces, men participating in women's sports, the scourge of porn and the sex industry, and the growing tide of ROGD. We are being told there is nothing to fear, that these are irrational fears, and that we should trust in our leaders, physicians, and communities to protect our children.

Don't buy it, speak up. Don't allow more people to be groomed into accepting the idea that woman is just an identity or that children can actually change sex with blockers and hormones. Don't let the men in your life be seduced by pornography.
We must destroy this toxic narrative and flood our world with the cleansing sunlight of TRUTH.

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PleaseSpeak · 16/03/2019 11:26

bloomerpool
We have a long, long way to go before people, including a majority of feminists, truly understand the pandemic that is child sexual abuse and the multi-billion dollar child trafficking industry. The war has barely begun

Thank you so much for this whole post. I have noticed a couple of people trying to through CSA survivors under the bus around this because of the so-called 'contagion' thing, and it alarms me that people have so little grasp of the hugeness of the issue of CSA/CSE.

Thank you for saying this.

ComputerSaysMo · 16/03/2019 07:21

Bloomer, if you have important information about organised CSA/E, even if it’s historical, please report it. Are you in the UK?

Janie143 · 16/03/2019 07:08

I thought there were similarities with the mothers of the child drag queens Lactasia s d Desmond is amazing Seemingly slowing the child to dictate to their own detriment. And the mothers enjoying the attention

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GeorgeFayne · 16/03/2019 01:44

Bloomer

Wow. Your comments are so eloquent and thoughtful, and greatly appreciated. I'm genuinely sorry for your lived experiences, though am impressed by the strength and purpose you've demonstrated. Thank you for your efforts to stop the horror that is child sex abuse.

I'm intrigued by your thoughts on child sex abuse and modern feminism. Since leaving a liberal/progressive mindset of feminism and discovering radical/gender critical perspectives, I've finally felt free to discuss my concerns about child sex abuse and the overlap it shares with the sex industry and porn, especially the financial implications as you've mentioned.

You're totally right that this is ALL of our problem and in many ways, if I can't start finding ways to speak out, I'm complicit.

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Bloomerpool · 16/03/2019 00:54

My mother trafficked me as a child. Granted, she was born into it (birth family, plus husband's family involved in trafficking), and was herself treated as a sexual object with no identity of her own. The Second Wave movement gave birth to the sexual abuse survivor movement of the 80's and 90's. I was part of it, working on the ground, as well as infiltrating accused perpetrator listservs (email lists). I witnessed how the movement was put down, through media proliferation of the narratives invented and tested in those groups, such as false memory and moral panic. Today, those narratives are still widely accepted as consensus reality, even by feminists, even though they're factually and scientifically false. I've seen 4th Wave Now, and other prominent GC activists continue to parrot these narratives because they've been proposed as analogs to trans as a social contagion. It's not very feminist to throw CSA survivors under the bus in service of a political point, but when that point seems to be pinned on consensus reality, it's difficult to not just nod one's head.

The truth of the original CSA movement, and the truth of sexual abuse and child trafficking, including its most horrific forms (which have not even come to light yet), remain clouded in as much secrecy, and disinformation as the Jackson's family life. Getting to the truth is a nasty, dirty business, and there are only a tiny number of people willing to wade in. There are hints and glimpses contained in old court transcripts and therapist's offices. The devil's in the hidden details, and you can't trust someone's version of them just because they get published in the NYT or propagandized in a Frontline special. The need of the public to turn away from a pain inducing reality is the right hand to the left hand of hidden-in-plain-sight perpetrators working to protects themselves and their profits.

We have a long, long way to go before people, including a majority of feminists, truly understand the pandemic that is child sexual abuse and the multi-billion dollar child trafficking industry. The war has barely begun.

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