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One liner as to why "cis" is objectionable please!

158 replies

3timeslucky · 15/03/2019 14:26

I hate the term. I hate to see women blithely reduce themselves to being a subset of women.

But I know I've read more reasons as to why it is not an ok term to use. So can you share your one liners or even two liners (they need to be simple enough that I can remember and re-use them).

Thanks!

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mumwon · 16/03/2019 17:15

Oh goodness celibate not celebrate - doh -:)

mumwon · 16/03/2019 17:13

Poster brilliant - I am a woman & before when I was little I was a girl who grew into her womanhood - I will be a woman till my bones are dust & the last gene or chromosome or bone of me is no more. It doesn't matter if I love another woman or a lover of men (or man :)) or am happy by myself or celebrate. I am a woman & always will be. If you wish or believe that you should have been a woman & go through the full transition - that is your choice & belief - you can claim your new womanhood - I have no issue with that - but don't define me - or put new terms on me - I am woman simply that

DadJoke · 16/03/2019 16:15

Because it assumes trans women are women, and women who don't share this view don't like to be considered a member of a subset of woman.

PosterPostingPosterishly · 16/03/2019 16:11

When you have grown the ovum to produce life, to grow a child to be borne of your body,
Then you can call me Cis, sis.

When you have felt the ache of Mother Nature, the loss from your body every month, the pain, the mess, the shame.
Then you can call me Cis, sis.

When you have fought for your right to say yay or nay.
When you have thrust your body beneath the Kings thoroughbred to make it known, you want your word,
Then you can call me Cis, sis.

When you have endured the searing pain of a tribal tradition, felt the knife to your most sensitive thing.
Then you can call me Cis, sis.

When a man thrusts his weight upon you and tells you it’s because he loves you.
When your whole body screams in pain because you’re trying not to allow him in. When you fear that off spring could be born of this,
Then you can call me Cis, sis.

When you are paid less than another, even though you are as good or better.
When you are not quite all the way up the ladder, because you were born without the appendage.
Then you can call me Cis, sis.

When a stroll down the street, becomes a zoological cacophony.
When the catcalls and whistles and stares make you look for the nearest hole in which to crawl.
Then you can call me Cis, sis.

When you have to cover it all, at the instruction of a man.
When your hair isn’t deemed worthy of public viewing and your face must be shielded from the light.
Then you can call me Cis, sis.

When you receive lashes across your slender back, because you dare to be a voice of freedom for those born without the privilege of man.
Then you can call me Cis, sis.

I am all of these things, I fight and rise up.
I did not choose this but I will prevail.
I am a woman.
Don’t call me Cis, sis.

Horsewithnogreenbobblehat · 16/03/2019 16:03

the most widely known example to lay people is the difference between trans fats and cis fats

I have been telling people for years that I'm transfat but nobody's having it. That's how I identify anyway.

MistressDeeCee · 16/03/2019 16:00

Define yourself as a hanging plant pot for all I care but piss off with your nouveau naff made up terms for me.

Cookieflavoredbiscuit · 16/03/2019 15:57

Because I don’t have Stockholm syndrome

GrimDamnFanjo · 16/03/2019 13:11

There are not divisions of woman.
A woman is a woman.

WouldDoItAgain · 16/03/2019 12:33

Hooda and Bicker, amazing posts from both of you

I love MN for being a platform to access the honest, intelligent, brutal, loving, supportive words of women who can articulate thoughts in a way beyond me which cause me to vigorously nod along thinking "thank you" for expressing so well what I can't

onsen · 16/03/2019 12:19

My self, I get to choose what I am called.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 16/03/2019 12:16

I am female, not a subset of the class female

Lamaha · 16/03/2019 11:13

I honestly don't know what "gender identity" is. Any "feelings" of being female I have ever had come from my biology, starting at puberty: falling in love with boys, realising they wanted my body, being harassed by boys whose advances I rejected, menstruation, abortion, pregnancy, childbirth, mothering, menopause.

Post menopause, there have been no female-specific experiences for me. I am lucky to be in robust health, touch wood.

Apart from these female-specific experiences, I do not feel I am female. I don't constantly think "I am a woman" when going for a walk in the woods, reading a book, watching a film, going on a holiday, relaxing in the garden, taking a shower, etc. I would be hard pressed to describe what it feels like "to be a woman" as a thing apart from those experiences linked to my specific anatomy. I'm just me. Yet men thing they know? Confused

I am not cis and don't need this word to describe myself.

Gender identity is just a mental concept. It's in the head; buzzing thoughts. It does not actually exist, yet laws are being changed and society is being remodelled on the premise that it's a thing. Words are being invented, women are being erased, crimes are being committed, all given government's nod.

The mind boggles. It's truly scary.

EcclesThePeacock · 16/03/2019 09:31
  • That's a point, they don't say cis-female do they? Why is that I wonder? Some peculiarity of grammar that is lost on me?*

I think it's more that the genderists idea is that its 'gender' which makes you a 'woman' (in quotes because no-one knows what they mean by that word) and you're trans if your sex (male or female) is opposite to your gender, cis if your sex matches the gender they assume you have.

It's all completely bogus, of course. The supposed analogy with chemistry is rubbish - trans and cis isomers have exactly the same constituent parts but their different spatial arrangement means they have different properties (the most widely known example to lay people is the difference between trans fats and cis fats)

Horsewithnogender · 16/03/2019 09:12

Don't call me cis. I'm female.

That's a point, they don't say cis-female do they?

Why is that I wonder?

Some peculiarity of grammar that is lost on me?

mummmy2017 · 16/03/2019 08:46

Oh when someone calls you Cis.
Sis.. oh no I only have a brother...

eyeczawikaivov · 16/03/2019 07:40

To use the modern parlance, "it is basic, discourteous misgendering."

Cis should only ever be used of those who claim the word for themselves. Even then one should bear in mind that many of those who claim the word do so from a position of having been brainwashed since birth to accept their gender-conditioning and they may one day break out of there.

For the 99.9% of humanity for whom you have no information about the extent to which they identify with the gender stereotypes that society forces on them, basic courtesy should not assume either way. Nor should one intrusively demand that someone should proclaim their thoughts on gender, which may be complex and evolving, to allow others to decide whether to categorise then as cis or trans. Better to think of all people as human first and foremost.

qumquat · 16/03/2019 07:18

Cis suggests I identify with the female gender stereotype of being submissive, pretty, paid less, harassed more etc. I don't.

theOtherPamAyres · 15/03/2019 23:53

Don't call me cis. I'm female. Call me female. Transwomen are male.

And don't get me started on 'cis women were assigned female at birth' or I might start laughing uncontrollably and wet myself.

BreconBeBuggered · 15/03/2019 23:29

If it's about how people identify, then don't assume my fucking identity for me.

NotTerfNorCis · 15/03/2019 23:22

If women can be 'cis' or trans then the definition of woman is no longer 'adult human female', but a feeling or set of stereotypes.

LangCleg · 15/03/2019 23:13

It's a bollocks piece of catechism belonging to a patriarchal, homophobic religion like all the other patriarchal, homophobic religions.

One liner enough?!

BigGoat · 15/03/2019 22:52

exculp, I think I tried too hard to turn it into a one liner..

Sycophantic-cause you’d have to be a simpering doormat to agree to redefine your sex class in terms of it not suffering from a psychological condition which affects at most 0.5 percent of the population. That’s not inclusivity, that’s subordination.

Phallocentric- cause they center men.

exculpatrix · 15/03/2019 22:51

Transgender doesn't derive from "transitioning" though? It literally comes from the trans- prefix, denoting "across, beyond, through, on the other side of, to go beyond". Like, it's the exact same root function as its use in chemistry. To transition stems from the same prefix, placed into a verb form to denote going across or to the other side of.
Which, that might seem like splitting hairs, or playing semantics, but it's an important difference. For analogy, it's the difference between saying humans and gorillas share a common ancestor, versus saying humans evolved from gorillas. Transgender and transitioning share a common root word, but one didn't evolve from the other. Given that, trans and cis are contextually opposite, in a way that light and heavy aren't.

2rebecca · 15/03/2019 22:41

I am a woman not an isomer.
The trans lobby just looked for another usage of the word trans apart from it being short for transitioning/transititioned and saw it was used for trans and cis isomers, a completely unrelated usage of the word "trans".
It's like me talking about light bulbs and then talking about light and heavy. Same word completely different meanings and "heavy" is not the opposite of "light" when you are talking about light bulbs.

exculpatrix · 15/03/2019 22:16

Don’t call me Cis, Cis women are sycophantic phallocentrists.

...what?