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One liner as to why "cis" is objectionable please!

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3timeslucky · 15/03/2019 14:26

I hate the term. I hate to see women blithely reduce themselves to being a subset of women.

But I know I've read more reasons as to why it is not an ok term to use. So can you share your one liners or even two liners (they need to be simple enough that I can remember and re-use them).

Thanks!

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FermatsTheorem · 27/03/2019 21:12

terfisaslur.com/

A quick look at these delightful screenshots will rapidly demonstrate that "terf" is simply a neutral descriptive acronym and not in the slightest bit a modern day version of "witch", "bitch", "harpy", aka "woman who says things I don't like", oh no sirree, not at all...

(Actually, someone a long time ago suggested as an exercise going through all these lovely tweets and memes replacing "terf" with "woman who says things I don't like", and reflecting on how they sounded. An interesting exercise.)

MooFeatures · 27/03/2019 21:05

You had it in your opening line: ”I hate to see women blithely reduce themselves to being a subset of women.”

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3timeslucky · 27/03/2019 14:53

I thought it meant trans-exclusionary?

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Oldermum156 · 27/03/2019 14:50

Terf is insulting because it is meant as an insult. It means "trans exterminatory", implying that defining womanhood by the logical definition of physical femaleness is equivalent to being a Nazi who wants to round up Transpersons into camps and kill them. This sort of extreme hyperbole is typical of the mentally deranged trans community and indicative that GID is a mental disorder.

HorsewithnoRhymeOrReason · 27/03/2019 09:13

(I don't know why 'terf' is considered insulting in some quarters.)

You might eventually get it.

Ereshkigal · 27/03/2019 09:03

Because it's a misogynistic slur and many (not all) GC women think it can't be reclaimed.

Bluerussian · 27/03/2019 09:01

'Woman' will do quite well thank you.
(I don't know why 'terf' is considered insulting in some quarters.)

Ereshkigal · 27/03/2019 08:59

I think it's fine as it is. It's better to keep it the same shape, not a pyramid. It's a Venn diagram.

Ereshkigal · 27/03/2019 08:57

It's illustrating why "cis" is a problem, so I think it makes the point much better with it there, on this occasion.

ErrolTheDragon · 27/03/2019 08:34

Inverted pyramid for the men, and not sure it should have the cis word in it...

Actually, I think it's more like one set for men and another for non-men, which is the union of the 'women' trans/cis pyramid and transmen.

AstonishedFemalePersonator · 27/03/2019 07:16

I like the second one and think a pyramid, rather than an oval, would show the hierarchy even more clearly.

PlasticPatty · 26/03/2019 22:43

I am a woman, an adult human female. I do not need any further definition.

ErrolTheDragon · 26/03/2019 22:39

Yes, the second one, the first had transwomen as a subset of cis women as well as the positioning. You're exactly right.

Ereshkigal · 26/03/2019 21:14

Yes, definitely the second one. Clarifies the power element.

nellodee · 26/03/2019 20:42

Or actually, maybe this would be more appropriate...

One liner as to why "cis" is objectionable please!
nellodee · 26/03/2019 20:38

This resonated with me so much I had to make a Venn.

One liner as to why "cis" is objectionable please!
mummmy2017 · 26/03/2019 08:06

said by me in another thread...
I am what Mother Nature created a Woman

AstonishedFemalePersonator · 26/03/2019 07:21

I'm a woman, not a sub-category of a woman.

Ereshkigal · 26/03/2019 07:07

By creating a subset of women, cis, opposed to a supposed other subset of women, trans, you by default create an overarching set of Women that includes both subsets.

In doing so, by sleight of hand, you maneuver trans women into being included by all laws referencing "women."

THAT's the problem with cis.

This. I'd also add that the utter contempt with which many transactivists refer to "cis" women, even often their allies, shows that they see themselves and other MTF trans people as superior within their arbitrary made up ladybrain category of "woman" and seek to push women down into the underclass as they see the hierarchy in society.

It's good old fashioned misogyny with a new twist.

ALannisterInDebt · 26/03/2019 07:04

I am a woman

(I my spellcheck doesn't even recognise the word cis because it's made up and meaningless)

Ereshkigal · 26/03/2019 06:55

It's not.

Not to women who are happy to throw other women under the bus, and their male allies, no. It is to many others.

ALittleBitofVitriol · 26/03/2019 03:51

EluphNaugeMeop

Thanks for that link. Harrop is on there talking about 'getting up the courage to come out as c*s' hahahahahahahaha

BickerinBrattle · 26/03/2019 03:35

By creating a subset of women, cis, opposed to a supposed other subset of women, trans, you by default create an overarching set of Women that includes both subsets.

In doing so, by sleight of hand, you maneuver trans women into being included by all laws referencing "women."

THAT's the problem with cis.

These not-so-innocent-change-the-law-by-changing language tactics have to pointed up and stopped, hard. That's NOT how law and legislation works.

MsVanillaRoseAuntof7 · 26/03/2019 02:04

It's not.

EluphNaugeMeop · 25/03/2019 23:16

There's a whole bunch of good replies to this question among the responses to this tweet on Twitter (in between a lot of wading through trans-ideollogue cheerleading and wokebros virtue signaling)

I think my favourite is "No feminist would describe herself as comfortable with the gender she was assigned at birth - Gender is a patriarchal hierarchy that exists to subjugate female people. You're literally asking us to identify ourselves as being inferior."