Woodcraft Folk and "trans inclusivity"

I don't know why you are complaining. Bergdorf is the most amazing role model. They can teach all the little woodcraft kids:
Homophobic slurs
How to make racist comments and lose your job
And then show them the powers of sexy knickers and how that totally empowers women!

Amazing choice

I was in WCF as a child, although I also thought "they're so woke they'll be leading the charge" when I saw the thread but I can second a previous poster that there will be some feminist women involved that DO remember how far has feminism has come and how hard they have had to work to make that progress.

DS in Boys Brigade and I sometimes help out. I can't see them marching down the woke road. The church affiliation is stronger than Scouts and Guides etc. - expect bible stories and a prayer at a typical session.

Oh also this utterly genius thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3413953-Burgers-A-Review

Oh I know who Travis is. He became famous for not identifying as a woman but still kicking off when topshop wouldn't let him in their women's changing room.

Well done woodcraft folk.

Who'd have thought the Boys' Brigade would be, on the evidence of that link, one of the more feminism-friendly organisations?

Great to see some of those comments!

Abbie Shannon et al - you are awesome

Paris Lees as role model for girls and women? I don't fucking think so. More like a porn-addled AGP with a criminal record for a violent crime, I thought.

The list of role model would imply they've just randomly picked a few high profile trans people out of thin air without researching them though. Doesn't say much for their safe guarding procedures really.

I have to say I don’t like the term rent boy applied to a child of 14 in the same way as I don’t like ‘child prostitute’. At that age it’s abuse not a ‘profession’. I do wonder how that type of experience or being in that world at that age can lead to a disassociation from your body. I would want to step into somebody else’s skin too or try and majorly change myself physically to distance myself from my past.

I agree, I also don't like when the fact that Paris beat up a client is brought up here. Any man hiring a teenager for sex deserves what he gets.

Otherwise, though Paris is a thoroughly vile human.

Many of the comments are excellent.

Are there any of the "uniformed" orgs that are showing sense on this? How about boys and girls brigade (do they even exist any more?)

I doubt boys and girls brigade will go down this route judging by this - they clearly understand what sex is and gender is
leaders.boys-brigade.org.uk/bto/youthworkandgenderylt.pdf

Screenshot of the comment

Yes that was Fox. Fox said that's why gender identity should not be lumped together with being gay, because people saw being gay as deviant. Paraphrasing but that's basically it.

You can find a reference to the now deleted video in the comments on this PN article:

www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/10/29/trans-support-charity-mermaids-attacked-by-transphobes-for-bullying/comments/

The response by a pro Mermaids person makes it clear what FF said.

FFS.

The role models though 😂

Interesting Facebook thread.
Person A makes valid safeguarding question
Person B shrieks die in a fire T*RF

How about boys and girls brigade (do they even exist any more?)

They still exist. They're explicitly Christian organisations, I think at the more, shall we say, not necessarily fundamentalist but less wish-washy end of the religious spectrum.

Paris Lees as a role model for WF- really (aside from the fact she couldn’t even hack it on Celebrity Island!) So glad someone linked to that ‘slut’ piece she wrote for Vice. The one where they have an orgy in a hotel room and Paris gets ‘shut up’ by a man’s cock. Just another reminder of the hypersexualised emphasis of some ‘celebrity’ transgender women (like Bergdorf too) who have come from the vacuous ‘fabulous’ club scene and see sex work as an aspirational goal for women.

I have to say I don’t like the term rent boy applied to a child of 14 in the same way as I don’t like ‘child prostitute’. At that age it’s abuse not a ‘profession’. I do wonder how that type of experience or being in that world at that age can lead to a disassociation from your body. I would want to step into somebody else’s skin too or try and majorly change myself physically to distance myself from my past.

The fact that a chat about The Woodcraft Folk has ended up here shows just how crazy this world has become. I hope the WF catch themselves on.

I can understand both sides. Parents of trans girls understandably don’t want them sleeping with boys. They want them with girls where they’re perceived to be safer from male violence. But parents of girls don’t want them sleeping with trans girls for exactly the same reason. In the first scenario the trans girl is seen as the recipient of male violence while in the second she’s seen as the perpetrator. I don’t know what the solution is. I do note, however, that the parents of trans boys don’t seem to be as keen to move them away from the girls and in with the boys where they’ll be the only vagina in the room.

One of the women I met through fpfw is v active in woodcraft folk and is peaking people from within, so there is hope that it’s not wholly lost to the woke...

Point two; safeguarding?

It's on that silly infographic, littlbrowndog

Well so early in the morning fo4 me to read what Paris lees enjoys

Yuck just yuck

Is lees a role model for woodcraft Folks