Woodcraft Folk and "trans inclusivity"

I’ve just had to go off and Google Woodcraft Folk because I had never, ever heard of them. Initially I thought it was a Facebook group for people who, um, crafted objects out of wood, and was wondering why they had to make a big proclamation about modern gender politics

So they’re like a left wing, religion-free Scouting movement?

Violently mugging people is the kindest thing I know of, it's true. All hail Paris. What was I thinking, denigrating this kind, caring, lovely intelligent soul?

Or to quote Little OJ: "Paris Lees is one of the kindest, caring, loveliest, most intelligent women I've ever met."

"Does this mean 16 yr old Boys( who imagine they are ' girls') sleep overnight with Girls?
Hope youll be abiding by the Sex protection Laws in the UK.
Girls are 18 times more at risk of sexual assault in mixed SEX spaces than segregated.
Does your insurance cover these risks?"

Organisations all over the place are tripping over themselves to introduce trans-inclusive polices without a care or even nod to actual safeguarding of children.

The single most effective safeguarding is sex segregation. It has been this way from year dot. Since forever. For obvious reasons. Males get females pregnant - regardless of gender identity. Maybe an actual pregnancy will bring this to the forefront - but certainly, we know sexual abuse is tremendously under reported. So this this flagrant lack of safeguarding could fly under the radar for some time.

Another lass
I went as a kid too. But can't really remember very much about it!

I'm actually gobsmacked to find that I agree wholeheartedly with the Boys Brigade training on gender and sex, and think the Woodcraft Folk have lost the fucking plot.

And I'm a left wing atheist

I'm so proud of Woodies for having members who are engaging in critical thought on this! I went to Woodies as a kid

I thought the Woodcraft Folk were associated with the Communists

No, they've never been connected with the communists. They're left wing, but mostly connected with the co-op and peace movements. They have at different times had stronger or weaker links to the Labour Party, at least through shared members. They started after the 1st world war with the intention of providing a less militaristic alternative to the scouts.

But it really is indicative of the maleness of this movement. For everybody reading this thread that may not be mumsnetters - the gender ideology movement is a male sexual rights lobby. It's not pleasant to come to this realisation - but I'm afraid it's true.

WCF really need to just lock / delete that thread. There's TRAs on there being really abusive and threatening to track people down and get them sacked.

Always the way They can't get away with this threatening shit forever. The tiding is turning. We see them.

The answer is to work on boys and men and make clear that they must be tolerant of boys who wish to present themselves as female

“Irish Guides has a sexual assault case currently being processed.”
“TUSLA (Child Protection Agency) has issued a ban on all sleepover events.”

Is this verified? Old/recent? Has this been discussed on here and I’ve just missed it?

R0wantrees? Because.......This never happens!

Or maybe they should leave them...

Paris Lees as role model for girls and women? I don't fucking think so. More like a porn-addled AGP with a criminal record for a violent crime, I thought.

Or to quote Little OJ: "Paris Lees is one of the kindest, caring, loveliest, most intelligent women I've ever met."

Possibly tells you everything you know about OJ's judgement. Or perhaps he just doesn't know many women.

I haven't read the links. However, I thought the Woodcraft Folk were associated with the Communists (who are relatively GC)

How will this benefit children who don't conform to sex stereotypes? It won't.

There is nothing wrong with children who don't conform to sex stereotypes. They are not trans. They are healthy, normal children with healthy, normal interests and preferences.

AnnaMagnani

I was in the Girl's Brigade too, definitely can't see them going the woke way.

Woodcraft folk is specifically saying they have to make things mixed sex so that children can share with siblings?

The very most that would require would be provision of some mixed sex accommodation if both the siblings and the parents wanted it.

Have recently moved my daughters from Brownies to Woodcraft folk FFS

one of the leaders at Beavers was telling a parent that actually their mixed sex children couldn't share a double sleeping bag because of the safe guarding policy. Despite being 6 years old.

Woodcraft folk is specifically saying they have to make things mixed sex so that children can share with siblings?

Interested to see the Boys Brigade link - back a hundred years ago I was in the Girls Brigade and I loved it.

Yes, there was a lot of Christian content and I don't believe anymore but it turns out really handy when going round an art gallery - I know every religious story.

But we also did loads of other stuff and the leaders were great. There is nothing wrong with doing 'girly' stuff or 'girly' sports - I remember a lot of skipping, we were girls, we loved it and didn't want to do nasty camping in the cold. It's only the boys that had convinced us that they were lesser activities after all.