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Radio 4 now! The affect of testosterone on athletic performance.

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GassyAss · 14/03/2019 16:45

Actual scientists talking about it and it's affect on transgender athletes.

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andyoldlabour · 15/03/2019 00:08

Have they been paid off?

LarryGreysonsDoor · 14/03/2019 22:52

It also gave the impression that there is a measurable biological fact behind every trans person, as opposed to feelings.

nauticant · 14/03/2019 21:28

I caught the repeat at 9pm. Adam Rutherford gave off a strong sense of TWAW. Along with struggling to distinguish tall women from male people who identify as women.

Although what are the chances that such an inability to distinguish would apply to Adam Rutherford's relationship and domestic arrangements?

borntobequiet · 14/03/2019 18:48

Neither the interviewer nor the interviewee had given any thought to the context of the discussion/debate.
This is what the societal ignorance of scientists looks like.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 14/03/2019 18:38

listening to Adam Rutherford, a biologist, pretend he does not know what 'female means'

Hmm

I don't know how he looked himself in the mirror after that

OunceOfFlounce · 14/03/2019 18:10

I think they did touch on height but to compare it to sex hormones, as in: both are spectrums that give people varying degrees of advantage. And it would be just as fair to categorise sport by height.

I could be wrong because that's when I gave up and turned it off!

FleetsumNJetsum · 14/03/2019 18:06

My DH just quoted Bob Badour: Science has as much use for sides as an internal combustion engine has for a foreskin."

Bring out the science.

Angryresister · 14/03/2019 17:54

I think it was said that that there was no proof that extra testosterone would not lead to men having a superior advantage over women, but there was something right at the beginning said about a spectrum !!!! Much too much about intersex and problem of intersex person competing. Utter waffle...eg opposing sides of argument having equal weight ...grr

FleetsumNJetsum · 14/03/2019 17:53

So angry, this is the BBC responding with a na na na na boo boo. Because last week I got so sick and tired of RM being invited to talk about the science of sport on the BBC and pretending to be a scientist that I complained to the BBC "can't you find a real scientist to talk about this?"

They have answered with wooly "scientists on both sides" crap. Actually, science does not have sides. It deals in reality. How 'bout some reality, BBC, not obfuscation?

LarryGreysonsDoor · 14/03/2019 17:46

They did touch on height a little.
But what about being socialised as male. Being encouraged into sports far more than girls?

maslinpan · 14/03/2019 17:37

And why not clarify the many other biological differences - average weight, height, lung capacity etc - that are in play.
It's not just testosterone that has an impact, FFS!

LarryGreysonsDoor · 14/03/2019 17:34

Why did they have a man in to speak on this? Are they honestly saying that they couldn’t find a single female expert?
He was a professor of women’s health I believe.

Fazackerley · 14/03/2019 17:11

I think it was the amused tone that made me so furious. DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE DOING???

MsMcWoodle · 14/03/2019 17:09

I've complained already. So sick of this. Can't any at the BBC face a counter view? FPFW could have made mincemeat of that.
No mention of why transmen aren't cleaning up in male sport. Rubbish.

Fazackerley · 14/03/2019 16:58

That was infuriating

Women have testosterone between .5 and 3 so we've set it at 5

Confused
qumquat · 14/03/2019 16:54

That was very wet and woolly. Apparently scientists on 'both sides' are selective with their data. Has everyone forgotten what sex is?!?!?!

ContessaIsOnADietDammit · 14/03/2019 16:54

Testosterone positive and testosterone negative? Is he trying to say male and female?

FleetsumNJetsum · 14/03/2019 16:54

pretty shit really

LarryGreysonsDoor · 14/03/2019 16:53

Well that was a big lot of nothing.

qumquat · 14/03/2019 16:53

He is being very cautious. 'if we wish to be 'ultra fair' to women's as if women are asking for too much fairness!
Presenter 'it is quite clear that the science is very complicated' no it isn't!!!!!

Helmetbymidnight · 14/03/2019 16:53

it makes me annoyed this idea that sport is unfair so hey, lets make it unfairer.

MillytantForceit · 14/03/2019 16:53

Primarily about the Semenya Case.

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GassyAss · 14/03/2019 16:52

It does seem a bit woolly.

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LarryGreysonsDoor · 14/03/2019 16:52

There seems to be much confusion of trans and intersex.

ContessaIsOnADietDammit · 14/03/2019 16:52

10% better, hey? Only in norms, mind you, not athletes...

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