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World pi record smashed by female mathematician with help of google

163 replies

BiologyIsReal · 14/03/2019 10:59

www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47524760

As a maths naive I'm a) not sure how much more useful it is to have 31 trillion digits as opposed to 22 trillion digits but b) well impressed.

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RiddleyW · 15/03/2019 15:36

Yes, there were loads of pictures of her as a little girl.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 15/03/2019 15:27

When the youtube shooting happened there were lots of people on here who were sure she was a man based on her adams apple.

Was it ever shown that they weren't?

steppemum · 15/03/2019 14:43

bloody hell, I went to school with a tall thin girl with huge breasts. I can guarantee she wasn't born male.

For that matter, my SIL is that shape, narrow hips, tall and thin, big breasts, and fromt he back very straight silhouette.

Oh wait, she has 3 kids, can't have been born male then

RiddleyW · 15/03/2019 14:32

When the youtube shooting happened there were lots of people on here who were sure she was a man based on her adams apple.

EcclesThePeacock · 15/03/2019 14:26

Baccarin was in firefly and homeland. And is a mother.

As someone who has PCOS, it occurred to me that elevated testosterone might cause enlarged Adam's apples in some women ... another quick google suggests that may sometimes be the case. Heck, some of us get hirsute as well... Hmm

Funkaccino · 15/03/2019 14:11

It will turn up quite a lot of transwomen, but also women such as Morena Baccarin and Michelle Obama, Meg Ryan ...

I didn't get Meg Ryan or the other woman (who I don't recognise but feel like I should...hmm)

As for Michelle Obama who most certainly does NOT have anything resembling an adams apple that's down to people spreading unkind and racist rumours about her.

Funkaccino · 15/03/2019 14:09

And we are only talking about how prominent or not prominent a feature is that WE ALL HAVE. Everyone has an adams apple, it is just that in MOST men the larynx thickens during puberty making it more prominent.

Yes and a man can have a cracking pair, but we know that if we see a very thin man of about 5 '5 with large breasts that he probably wasn't born a male. I'm not going to argue about it with you anymore as it's quite pointless. You're trying to convince me of the opposite of something that we know to be a fact.

Doyoumind · 15/03/2019 14:04

I also wondered yesterday. She works in Seattle which I understand to be a very woke place.

Ereshkigal · 15/03/2019 13:58

I was responding to Weetabix, because something had been said.

EcclesThePeacock · 15/03/2019 13:57

I meant that if it were true that they are not female (which I don't know), I would want that made clear. Which applies in all cases, it's not a personal thing.

To be sure. However, when nothing is said, there is no reason to assume there is anything to be said.

Ereshkigal · 15/03/2019 13:54

took your comment "If it's true, we should be told", to be about this specific person. I did then ask a more general question, to which you replied you didn't necessarily mean this particular person. So I must have misunderstood the first commemt.

Fair enough. I meant that if it were true that they are not female (which I don't know), I would want that made clear. Which applies in all cases, it's not a personal thing.

EcclesThePeacock · 15/03/2019 13:53

Do an image search for 'woman Adams apple'.
It will turn up quite a lot of transwomen, but also women such as Morena Baccarin and Michelle Obama, Meg Ryan ...

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 15/03/2019 13:52

However, some women also have an Adam's apple

from wiki

The citation for that claim does not say that though...

TheFallenMadonna · 15/03/2019 13:51

I certainly agree that lots of other people have made a big deal about it being a woman doing this.

TheFallenMadonna · 15/03/2019 13:50

I took your comment "If it's true, we should be told", to be about this specific person. I did then ask a more general question, to which you replied you didn't necessarily mean this particular person. So I must have misunderstood the first commemt.

steppemum · 15/03/2019 13:46

its development is considered a secondary sexual characteristic of males that appears as a result of hormonal activity.

yes obviously, but it clearly says that women can have them too, which was my point all along.
We all know they are a male characteristic, but they are not EXCLUSIVELY a male characteristic, as women can have them too.
And incidentally, some men don't have them.

And we are only talking about how prominent or not prominent a feature is that WE ALL HAVE. Everyone has an adams apple, it is just that in MOST men the larynx thickens during puberty making it more prominent.

But they are SOMETIMES prominent in women too.

Have I made it clear enough for you now?

dear me, it is like paddling through syrup.

The plural of ancedote is not data, so just because it is outside of your experience, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Ereshkigal · 15/03/2019 13:43

So? You asked me a question about my personal opinion generally. I answered.

Funkaccino · 15/03/2019 13:43

Actually I think all of the papers have made a big deal of this being a woman in tech. And she's on a lesbians in tech website and is wearing a women in tech shirt in her photos.

TheFallenMadonna · 15/03/2019 13:40

But this thread is about one specific person. And the person who is making a big deal about her being a woman is the OP.

Ereshkigal · 15/03/2019 13:36

Not talking about this specific person, I was answering a general point.

Ereshkigal · 15/03/2019 13:36

As in of course they can personally describe themselves as "women" according to their belief system, but I don't have to agree and no one should have to pretend they do.

TheFallenMadonna · 15/03/2019 13:35

I don't think she is making a big deal out of being a woman.

OvaHere · 15/03/2019 13:34

Do you know this for a fact? I can't see any mention of it anywhere (not that we should be told really)

No it's not mentioned anywhere. A bit like all those crime reports that document female crime. We aren't allowed accurate records of anything now.

If observations bother you so much also go take it up with the gay men on datalounge who also have eyes (and seem to think the radfem harridans should be happy to own this one).

www.datalounge.com/thread/23371968-emma-haruka-iwao-sets-pi-world-record

Ereshkigal · 15/03/2019 13:34

You think you should be told if someone is trans if they do something notable in an open (not single sex) space?

Yes. I don't believe in gender identity ideology, so I don't believe male people should be able to pass themselves off as women, and get praised for being "women". Praise for being an MTF and doing something inspiring, great. This is not based on this particular case. I don't know enough about this person.

Funkaccino · 15/03/2019 13:30

its development is considered a secondary sexual characteristic of males that appears as a result of hormonal activity.

You forgot that bit. From wiki. Doesn't tie up with Adams apples not being unusual in women does it?

You said it's like a tall woman when actually it's more like a very thin 20 year old man with DD breasts. It could happen but it doesn't tend to.