World pi record smashed by female mathematician with help of google

@EcclesThePeacock you can actually report your own post(s) and ask to be deleted, if you want. I don't see the need to myself.

Don't feel bad about yourself biologyisreal it's a consequence of a fucked up ideology that has lead to us being constantly gaslit.
No one likes being lied to.

Except the reason that everyone thought Emma was male is because Emma looks male and it's a very male achievement (plus we know google is enormously misogynist).

Today I got a temp twitter ban for hate speech. I got it for telling someone who was making shouty terf comments that women can't tell who's male unless we demand to look at their genitals that I could tell they were make because of the way they wrote.

Nothing more hateful that telling someone who believes themselves to be a woman that they don't pass. Whether that's because of the way they behave, the way they look or the way they move or speak. It's hateful for us to notice.

Thing is Eccles, everything you said was true. We ought not to need to think like this.
Women can have larger adams apples, either because they have thin necks or thyroid issues.
Women should be able to look masculine without people wondering about them.

The word woman should be reserved for women.

Eccles

This sort of stuff is a total headfuck. If Emma had been female all of yours and Steppemum's comments on this thread would have been absolutely bang on.

I don't think Janice Turner will pick up the story as she needs to stick to the more pressing issues of male violence, women's safe spaces or she would look "mean". Well look what happened on this thread in a feminist forum.

Xpost about press release.

Ugh, why can't we edit posts.

This is the first thread ever in over a decade on MN where I'd really have liked to do that. Well, more like delete entirely.

The BBC would 100% have written the story as exactly the same if they had known for definite. They may well have known for definite as Pink news obviously got the message from somewhere. Though in fairness, I wouldn't expect news agencies to verify the sex of every person they write a fluff piece on if a press release says 'she'.

Would be nice if they did when the story is that 'She' raped someone though. Or she murdered someone etc

Do the media reporting this even know that it's about a transwoman? If they're sent a press release from google saying 'woman', they may not really have even considered that this may not be the case. (There's no photo on the times bit)

They're not their! Ugh, why can't we edit posts.

And even more alarming to have this from scientists and mathematicians. How would we know what they have actually achieved if they are willing to mislead and dupe about the basics. This is a man. Science is about facts.

I think this is why I'm extra infuriated that a friend of mine, a scientist (albeit one working for one of the very wokest of woke unis) has posted this news article on his wall. I suppose if there's no mention in the article that this person is trans then it may just be that they think it's actually a story about a woman. I've written a comment beneath his post about 5 times so far but keep deleting. I think the best thing is to complain to the people who are printing these lies. It's hard to blame the public when their just regurgitating info they read in the press. Has anyone else here complained to the Beeb and the times?

The times had one of its leader about this, reporting as a woman (though not making an issue of that) ... I wonder if Janice Turner might want to correct them?

The impact of this can't be understated

• Girls being inspired will be v deflated when they find out women presented as role models were born male. It's not appropriate to hold transwomen up as examples of female success. They should be held up as examples of transgender success, what's wrong with that?

Of course there are arguments against this that are arguments women have used for years, turned back on us. Why are you judging on appearance? Why are you assuming it might not be a woman because it's a physics prize, that's sexist etc etc.

Funkaccino Exactly, it's no different to the trans-racial stuff either, and yet we're witches for even mentioning that we can see the 'womanface' on display, to be submissive to the menfolk and not worry our little heads about how our rights and representation are being snatched away from us.

My trust has gone. This is the future. It is now normal and considered acceptable to mislead, normal to create a false narrative, false information, false records, false statistics

This.

And even more alarming to have this from scientists and mathematicians. How would we know what they have actually achieved if they are willing to mislead and dupe about the basics. This is a man. Science is about facts.

Personally I do think it is important that if this person is going to represent themselves as a woman and wear shirts that say they are a "woman in tech" and be on lesbians websites they need to say they are actually a transwoman. It's really unfair.

If you're born into a rich family, then privately educated, go to a top uni... you can't then move into a shit flat and say you got the job despite being poor and from a working class background. You've had all the privilege from the start.

Wow what a huge coincidence that I managed to guess she was trans, what with her not looking at all male steppemum? This is the problem. Everyone can see this is a male if they look but we're all being trained to ignore what's obvious which is that we can distinguish between sexes. That's not basing sex on stereotypes of femininity. In fact we are being told to look for gender markers rather than sex markers which is terribly sexist and more likely to result in "misgendering" than any other way.

You've said I dont believe a woman can succeed because i could see this person was male and sent your daughter this story so she can have a woman to look up to and see that women can make it. Except this woman did it without dealing with any of the shit your daughter will.

Ugh. That’s disappointing. I got so annoyed finding myself scrutinising this person’s looks that I decided to just believe it was a woman and not ruin a thread about “her” achievement by talking about trans stuff or indeed about her looks.

Fuck this shit though. I hate how this bullshit ideology makes women’s issues invisible. Oh, look at all the successful women in tech, there’s no issue there. And what do you mean, male violence, look how the number of female sex criminals is growing.

It is a major achievement, but. Why not a major achievement for a transwoman?

This is what they should be telling us, if they want acceptance for transgender people.

You don't gain acceptance for transgender people by telling everyone (or implying) that they're not transgender.

These examples are / can / will be used to dismiss arguments that women are under represented in STEM

Quite. Which is exactly why I didn't just "see a picture of a transwoman and then thought nothing of it"
Because I also read the word woman describing this person, and thought a lot about that.

*Assess - not asses! :p

Can we all write a letter of complaint to the BBC, please? This should NOT become the norm. It's appropriation of the struggle of women for equality, and as others have rightly mentioned, it skews the idea that women are underrepresented in tech, which they very much are. This sets up the idea that we have a new female role model, who then turns out to be male - how do they imagine young girls who have been presented with this feel when they find out - 'oh yes, you can achieve great things in STEM - oh no, wait, you have to be born male first'. I agree with the suspicion around looking at someone and considering whether they are trans or not, I don't want to start have to asses everyone on their looks, I just want to be told the truth.

When I saw this story earlier today I immediately saw a man, but I didn't want to presume anything

Me too. It's the sheer gaslighting of it. Many many people will also have had that initial thought - but as the BBC says they were a woman, well they must be. It kind of creates an unease where I feel that maybe I can't trust my eyes and my instincts, and that's a pretty discomfiting feeling.