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Woman forced to cover up on flight to Tenerife by Thomas Cook staff

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PeeGreen · 13/03/2019 20:49

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PeeGreen · 14/03/2019 14:52

For some reason this old white bloke with his fetish gear wasn't a problem.

www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/US-Airways-cross-dresser-says-he-does-it-for-fun-2367005.php

but a black man with sagging trousers wasn't allowed to board.

Quite mysterious how these things seem to work.

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AndhowcouldIeverrefuse · 14/03/2019 13:59

And until the young girl was blocked from a flight last year for wearing leggings I had no idea there were dress codes for planes.

Two women being harassed over their attire. Surely a coincidence...

JessicaWakefieldSVH · 14/03/2019 13:58

She’s young, it might be

BlackPrism · 14/03/2019 13:56

She said on Twitter that it was 'the worst thing that has ever happened to me'... which I thought was quite dramatic

JessicaWakefieldSVH · 14/03/2019 13:46

The young woman

JessicaWakefieldSVH · 14/03/2019 13:45

Has anyone else seen this discussed on This Morning? I only saw a YouTube clip. But their ‘etiquette expert’ touches the young man and turns her to touch the back of her top, Emily is clearly not happy but obviously is in a position where she can’t say anything.

jay55 · 14/03/2019 13:30

I was on a flight where the seats were in a v formation, so looking ahead you were looking at the passenger opposite. I could see straight up the tiny shorts of the woman opposite. That outfit was unsuitable for flying.
The girl on this flight I can't see the issue. And until the young girl was blocked from a flight last year for wearing leggings I had no idea there were dress codes for planes.
I don't see that she could have been hurting or offending anyone. She might have been uncomfortable herself, but that would have been her own fault.

Frequency · 14/03/2019 11:30

If Thomas Cook have a dress code they haven't bothered publicising it. A quick Google would tell you that. It seems a but unfair to enforce a dress code you haven't bothered telling anyone about. What if the woman's friend didn't have a jacket to lend her? She would have missed her flight because TC decided to apply a dress code they never informed her of.

The top is a bralette and not a revealing one as far as bralettes go. They're sold as outerwear/summer wear not particularly beach wear. I see plenty of teens/young adults wearing them when it's warm out.

I have to say, if you're so adverse to other people's 'flesh' touching you, you should probably not be flying with budget airlines. That's your own issue to manage not other passenger's.

Vixxxy · 14/03/2019 11:20

I have seen women wearing less than that on flights, hell I once saw a guy trying to get on topless! Though to be fair, he was told to cover up or leave too. I would have thought there was more to this than just the outfit too tbh, as its not even 'bad'. If she was trying to get on in a little bra and a thong, fair enough.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 14/03/2019 10:57

Would people take the same view if she was an obese, older woman? Or an obese man without a shirt

Yes i would

I am really not keen on telling people what they should wear

I work in a dress shop and the amount of women who are upset at showing their upper arms is untrue. They are very self conscious and most times their arms are better than mine!

And i am confused at the definition of beachwear, ive seen those trousers worn on the beach BUT if its bikini tops thats the problem (not that it is a bikini too) then this should be make very clear in the airport

AnagramBixter · 14/03/2019 10:08

She should cover up, her clothing is suitable for a beach but not a flight.

bigmouthstrikesagain · 14/03/2019 10:04

What a stupid fuss. There are tons of summer dresses with similar tops to that bralette if there was a dress attached to that top it would have been acceptable. The airline staff were over reacting.

JessicaWakefieldSVH · 14/03/2019 09:59

And my point is that if it is ok for her it is also ok for larger people.

Wow. So are you suggesting larger people should cover their arms too? In case poor you has to touch their horrible flesh? My god.

MullofKintire · 14/03/2019 09:49

So let me get this straight. When you go on a plane, you have covered every inch of your body which might come into contact with another person? You always wear long sleeves? And long trousers? And gloves?

I do always wear a long sleeved shirt and long trousers on a plane. No gloves though! And I really hate sitting next to people whose bodies intrude into my minimal personal space on a plane. The dislike escalates according to the flesh in question - brush of a hand I can shrug off, a covered arm ditto if it is fleeting, but a big roll of bare flesh even if on legs I find intolerable. Upper body worse. And I do not think I am odd!

And my point is that if it is ok for her it is also ok for larger people.

TeaforTwoBiscuitOrThree · 14/03/2019 09:43

She would have been cold wearing just that on a plane!

JessicaWakefieldSVH · 14/03/2019 09:40

Her left breast is not bulging out of it, plenty of women have the same area to the side of our breasts which can bulge out like that. If she wore a vest top, it would only cover an extra small area of her midriff- which has minimal exposure here.

BlackPrism · 14/03/2019 09:39

While it is a bra style top (a badly fitting one), it's not actually a bra and we've all seen young women wearing similar. While I wouldn't choose to wear it to travel (and I'm 23) it shouldn't have been deemed offensive unless she was travelling somewhere like Dubai or Turkey which I could understand. They'll see far worse IN Tenerife

JessicaWakefieldSVH · 14/03/2019 09:37

Would people take the same view if she was an obese, older woman?

Actually yes. Maybe it’s those with objections that have an issue with the fact she’s young and slim? Body size and age is irrelevant to me when it comes to clothing.

LassOfFyvie · 14/03/2019 09:36

She is wearing a bra. A badly fitting bra as her left breast is bulging out of it. It is disingenuous to witter on about her shoulders or midriff.

I've never sat beside anyone on a plane wearing just a bra on their top half . I would prefer not to sit beside anyone dressed like that.

Thomas Cook seem to have dealt with it very badly. Asking her politely to put something on top of her bra is fine but it seems to have escalated, presumably with help from her.

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 14/03/2019 09:33

No-one wants to be touching a stranger’s bare flesh

So let me get this straight. When you go on a plane, you have covered every inch of your body which might come into contact with another person? You always wear long sleeves? And long trousers? And gloves?

How odd.

Horsewithnogender · 14/03/2019 09:13

No-one wants to be touching a stranger’s bare flesh.

But if your arm was covered by your shirt, you wouldn't be touching her "flesh".

TheFaerieQueene · 14/03/2019 09:02

What she is wearing is fine.

As for those saying planes are cramped and who wants to touch other people’s bare flesh, if you are sitting next to her, what part of her would you be touching? Her arm, perhaps! Oh, the horror!

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 14/03/2019 09:02

If there is a code then it should be publicised. Why didn’t anyone say anything at checkin?

I think they handled it badly and it escalated. Did noon tell the shouty man off?

MullofKintire · 14/03/2019 08:56

I would like to see a dress code on a plane - and I would like to see it applied to everybody. I think shirts and shorts should be a minimum.

Many of the comments on this thread seem to imply that because she is a young woman with an attractive body, wearing just a bra on her upper body is acceptable. Would people take the same view if she was an obese, older woman? Or an obese man without a shirt? If not, what are the assumptions associated with the first judgement?

Planes are cramped. No-one wants to be touching a stranger’s bare flesh. It follows therefore that they should apply a dress code. Well done Thomsons!

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 14/03/2019 08:50

Don’t be silly! I mean a bunny suit of course 🙄

But really - your soft back touching the manky, scratchy seats? Yuk. And it gets lost cold on flights.

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