4thWaveNow has some incredibly disturbing stuff from Facebook

Fuck. That’s made me cry with pure heartbroken rage for those poor children. I cannot believe anyone could support this - I want it on the front page of every paper and being shouted from the rooftops. This. Is. Child. Abuse. This is exactly what it looks like to see children being abused. The normalisation of horrific sexualisation of very small children is chilling, as is the casual disregard for their children’s bodily autonomy. “Oh don’t worry darling, I know you’re happy with your vagina but Mummy is going to sort out some further indoctrination via peer pressure and an official group. Father Christmas is going to put a penis under the tree for you and I (eek!) braved a sex shop to buy a harness for you so your fake (age/size appropriate!) penis won’t fall on the bathroom floor!”

Fucking hell. I am just fucking beyond rage. This is so utterly monstrous

I think the dad I know doesn't contradict the pattern as he's the main carer and possibly unfulfilled. Most people feeling that way would be mums.

Why mothers? It's an interesting question. In some, I hope many cases, I think it is because mothers are more accepting of their children as individuals, so more inclined to "support" or at least listen to, a child who wants/claims to want to change gender. And then when these mothers seek guidance on how to deal with it, they are quickly sucked into the trans echo chamber and pretty much told they'll be actively harming their child if they don't get 100% on the bandwagon. Pretty hard when you've got a distressed child on the one hand and the establishment on the other telling you that you have to go with this. And then lots of helpful hand-holding from recommended organisations to make sure you do - and keep doing - the right thing.

Others are clearly narcassists viewing their child as an extention of themsrlves that can be manipulated for attention and personal gain.

At least that's how I see it.

The family I know with a young transed child, it is the father driving it and the mother insecure about her parenting and going along with it. The certainty the dad, or the internet, offers is really reassuring for people who are struggling as parents.

Curiously, the dad also behaves in a weird way regarding dropping his child at school. He walks to school telling them how brave they are, how scary school is, making it a huge deal each day. I think he enjoys the child getting distressed and his big display of comforting them, carrying them into school with all the sympathetic looks he gets. A few of us, including people who don't even know child is trans, feel really uncomfortable with his behaviour but can't quite articulate it to talk to the school, if that makes sense.

He accused a fellow parent of not parenting because she left her not distressed child in line and talked to other people, instead of staging a massive farewell every morning. We're talking on his knees, "I'll miss you so much," drama, that nobody else does. It just seems so fake and weird and not a million miles from Munchasen (sp?)

I don't have the experience or language to really explain it but there is something going on that we don't fully recognise as abusive or wrong, yet, like a parental need for recognition manifesting in a detached way. Parents who have few RL friends, so get their perspective on line where it's all dramatic with no context. Sorry for rambling, I just can't put my finger on it but I know if someone else does, I'll be able to say "yes, that's it!!"

I don't think he'd buy a plastic penis though, that's on a different level,

This is beyond disturbing - I can’t even look at most of the links. Wtf do these parents think they are doing? Please let there be more media coverage of this to expose these practises. Grooming, sex toys for children, denial of normal sexual urges

I've been wondering this myself recently. It does seem to be mostly mothers perpetuating it. However the flip side is that it is mostly mothers/women fighting back against it.

A strange juxtaposition.

I was reading about this subject on another forum. The issue of it almost always being lead by the mothers came up, and the fact that MBP is almost always lead by mothers too, and also that the profile of the fathers in MBP cases is very much the same as the profiles of mothers of children abused by their fathers who denied any knowledge of the abuse. I don’t have a citation for this, but it does feel like another piece of this monstrous puzzle.

They don’t want us to draw back the rainbow glitter mermaid unicorn curtain, because they know full well behind that curtain is child abuse and children and young adults left with broken bodies and minds from what’s been inflicted on them.

Why women ? Why do mothers fall for this ?

I feel sick that these kids are being failed so badly. And that the repercussions will affect their whole lives.

Almost every post here refers "parents", but these are mums, not dads.

Hmm yes, it does always seem to be the mothers. That court case where the mum was trying to force the kid to be trans..it was the dad against it. Does seem to be mainly women who support TRA nonsense too.

It's so horrendous, it's hard to read. Literally child abuse.

And yet the completely fucking insane thing is that in some countries/states, the medics involved would potentially now not be allowed to raise any concerns or try to stop this, and parents are at risk of having their children removed/losing contact if they try to prevent a spouse from doing this, or stop "affirming" their child themselves. (I would add "angry/sad" faces, but until MN gets a "Munch scream" emoticon, I don't think they cut it any more).

Not incidentally, 4thWaveNow also mention in the comments that Jazz Jennings' mother is a moderator on this forum.

I hope there will be a massive reckoning for the people involved in this, further down the line.

Why is it women doing this to their kids?
Almost every post here refers "parents", but these are mums, not dads.
We don't say "people" when we're talking about men, so why not say "women" here?
Is it Munchausen by proxy (known to affect women more)?

This is fucking disgusting. I see the majority of these posts as sexualising young children and am astounded that that kind of talk is 'normal' in groups like that. Surely, all normal people would feel disgusted by such talk?!

I can see some replies of shock/anger similar to ours beneath the 4thWaveNow tweets, but I am not a Twitter user any more and unsure where else to look to get a sense of the wider response.

Just curious about whether it’s being positioned as “hysteria” or “misinformation” or whatever by TRAs. Or even whether anyone openly defends it as perfectly ok.

What the hell!!!

This is a very disturbing variation on old school competitive parenting. Once it was limited to ballet, sports or school admissions. Now it seems moulding your child into the opposite gender with the best body mods you can buy is de-rigour in some circles.

Just appalling.

It's beyond everything else. What is wrong with these parents? How are they allowed to get away with it? It's insane.

These parents are inducing dysphoria.

Yes.

I honestly think that reading and knowing about this new form of child abuse is worse for my mental health than anything else in my own personal life ever, including significant health and mental health issues of both my dh and ds.

I can't read any more.

Exactly Bernard, it’s like the whole Yewtree thing never happened.....

I think of all the things I've seen and read since discovering FWR this is the most distressing. I cannot even process how parents would do this and how they are getting away with it.

And the BBC is posting nice affirming articles about that poor Autumn who appears to be providing a career path for his mother, and about Desmond is Aamazing, whose drag act appears to be supporting his family

parents are supposed to protect their children

why is the BBC celebrating parents who have failed to protect their children?

Actually made me cry with anger and despair. These poor children. And then you have tiny “transboys” wheeled out on breakfast tv for Effing Phil and Holly to coo over and score virtue points. Blerrggh. I need a lie down.

Holy fuck ... I have no words