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Linford Christie's reaction

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Mankyfoot · 11/03/2019 08:59

C'mon Linford Grin

Linford Christie's reaction
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Lweji · 11/03/2019 11:18

Humans are dimorphic, whatever other categories we might want to layer on, this is the one which is clear.

It is clear in the sense that it's qualitative (dichotomous), but smaller framed people in their own sex are at a disadvantage too.
It can be argued that smaller framed men do not possess an advantage over larger frame/taller women.

The issue of transgender people in sports may well lead to a redefinition of how we separate sports categories, that's my point. How it will be achieved, I'm not sure. There will never be a truly fair way.

DoNotBlameMeIVotedRemain · 11/03/2019 11:18

The world has gone mad. Clearly Linford is one of the sane ones.

StealthPolarBear · 11/03/2019 11:15

Seems to want to I mean

StealthPolarBear · 11/03/2019 11:15

Mirri do you get it? Can you explain it. No one seems to

FizzyGreenWater · 11/03/2019 11:14

Agree, she's a one willy mission.

misscockerspaniel · 11/03/2019 11:13

RM, a white male, is doing a brilliant job at peak transing the world of sport. Smile

MirriVan · 11/03/2019 11:12

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EcclesThePeacock · 11/03/2019 11:08

To be truly fair, we may need to divide by weight/height/muscle mass categories rather than by things like sex.

If you went by weight/muscle mass, how would you account for the normal difference in fat:bone:muscle ratios between men and women? Muscle mass would put a woman who'd trained hard in the same category as a bloke who hadn't. Humans are dimorphic, whatever other categories we might want to layer on, this is the one which is clear.

FizzyGreenWater · 11/03/2019 11:07

Cheers @GeorgeTheBleeder - yep I agree. This is what I don't get - your post -

There is something so distasteful about this thread - and the evidence of how some posters are just slightly, but crucially missing the point - that I really, really wish I hadn't opened it.

How are people slightly missing the point?!

StealthPolarBear · 11/03/2019 11:06

Does he need to? I also need the alternative spelling out for me.

M4J4 · 11/03/2019 11:04

I hope he tweets again clarifying why that statement is so ridiculous.

GeorgeTheBleeder · 11/03/2019 11:04

What other interpretation could there be to the WTF instead of 'WTF you absolute loon, no black women are not the same as transwomen'

None, surely?

Lweji · 11/03/2019 11:00

I'm with LC. WTF.

A better comparison would be able people not being able to compete against in paralympics if they identify as disabled.

Although, as things are going, I envision that most sport will become more like martial arts and weight lifting, and in some way like the paralympics.
To be truly fair, we may need to divide by weight/height/muscle mass categories rather than by things like sex.

Aeroflotgirl · 11/03/2019 10:59

His comment was clearly aimed at the stupidity of TheBlaze comment. No comparison, black women, and white women have still the same chromosomes, transwomen are biologically male.

FizzyGreenWater · 11/03/2019 10:58

@GeorgeTheBleeder - can you explain then?! Quite a few folk on here making vaguely arch comments about this but it's clear that you're going to have to spell it out for me and the rest of the thickos Grin

What other interpretation could there be to the WTF instead of 'WTF you absolute loon, no black women are not the same as transwomen'

ShatnersWig · 11/03/2019 10:57

@sarahjconnor Interesting debate on the radio last week over Amber Rudd using the words "woman of colour" about Diane Abbott and how that term is completely unacceptable. Yet the NAACP still decline to change their name.

EmmaGrundyForPM · 11/03/2019 10:54

I can't see another way of interpreting his comment other than WTF is RM on about?"

Well done LC, but why aren't more sportsmen commenting on shit like this?

Sarahjconnor · 11/03/2019 10:51

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derxa · 11/03/2019 10:46

C'mon Linford.

Grace212 · 11/03/2019 10:39

I'm confused

surely the comment can only be read one way?!

GeorgeTheBleeder · 11/03/2019 10:35

There is something so distasteful about this thread - and the evidence of how some posters are just slightly, but crucially missing the point - that I really, really wish I hadn't opened it.

NottonightJosepheen · 11/03/2019 10:35

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StealthPolarBear · 11/03/2019 10:27

What did Melrose mean

StealthPolarBear · 11/03/2019 10:26

Agree ILoveMaxiBondi, I'm struggling to understand the other interpretation.
Black women are part of women's sports because they are women. Sports are (or should be) segregated by sex. Segregation by skin colour would be stupid. The difference between a trans woman and a black woman is the penis.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 11/03/2019 10:25

Bloody hell, that tweet on that linked thread trying to claim that 'there are various situations where white women don't want black people around, they feel vulnerable' to try and dismiss women not wanting men in their spaces and rationalise the whole 'transwomen are a subset like black women' insanity - WTAF? My How Fucking Offensive Can You Get metre just exploded! How bloody dare they? Fuck off to the far side of fuck with that appalling racist fuckwittery.

Women welcome women in to women's spaces. Men are not women. Regardless of how they feel inside, regardless of what they choose to call themselves, regardless of what cosmetic changes they make to their bodies. Men are not a subset of women.

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