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Bloke in the Disney store...

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CaptainMarvelBunting · 10/03/2019 16:06

I was in the Disney store, gazing longingly at the most gorgeous Captain Marvel hoodie that I simply can't afford. It was a thing of beauty.

Man next to me says "I'm still debating whether to see it."

Me, full of enthusiasm, "Oh, do, it's really good!"

Man replies, "Oh right, I was expecting a boring female and lots of SJW preaching. I think superhero movies need less of this feminist rubbish."

Me, mindful of it being the Disney store, and that loud swears are not the way to go, "Its not that difficult to see women as heroes, too, is it?"

He, eyebrows lifted at a woman actually forming a sentence of reply, "Oh, you're one of them are you?"

Me, sweetly smiling while taking the hoodie off the rail, "Why yes, yes I am."

And I walked away, feeling like I was wearing the damn thing.Grin

Left it on another peg full of them elsewhere, though. I'm not made of fecking money.

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HJWT · 12/03/2019 17:09

Sorry can men push babies out of there vagina ??? NO so they will never be super heroes hun 🤨🙄🤪

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 12/03/2019 16:56

Nice one OP.

It was a really good movie.

Amoregentlemanlikemanner · 12/03/2019 16:50

you have motivated me to learn how to use a gif! well done!

CaptainMarvelBunting · 12/03/2019 14:12

Isn't it nice to have the actual conversation at the time, rather than angrily in your head two hours later?

Huge rarity, tbh. I've not been a badass gobby wench since I was a teenager.

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MeAgainAgain · 12/03/2019 13:57

Nice one op.

Loads of blokes do this actually, the men in my old job did it all the time. And I was dim and always rose to it, providing much entertainment.

I saw the film at weekend first 30 mins bit slow but then it got going and by end was loving it.

YY to sad men frantically down voting it all over the internet needing to get a life. Its just desperately sad isn't it. One thing isn't exactly centering people like them and they have a hissy fit.

MrsTerryPratchett · 12/03/2019 13:37

"Why yes, yes I am."

Isn't it nice to have the actual conversation at the time, rather than angrily in your head two hours later? Grin

Dervel · 12/03/2019 12:53

Saw it last week, and I enjoyed it. Last two movies I watched had female leads, the other was Alita Battle Angel, which I really liked too.

CaptainMarvelBunting · 12/03/2019 12:21

SJW = Social Justice Warrior. Used by conservative and progressive alike - progressives use it as a badge of honour to describe their view of themselves, and conservatives use it in a sneering, disdainful manner. See also snowflake - a negative critique from some, a defiant reclaimed label for others.

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RitaFairclough · 12/03/2019 12:20

My nine-year-old son, who is OBSESSED with Marvel and all things super-hero-related, loved Captain Marvel. In fact he loved it so much he said he thinks all superheroes should be women from now on. (And then he corrected himself and said "but not Spider-Man").

I like that she's clearly going to save the world in Avengers: End Game.

Limpshade · 12/03/2019 12:15

What is SJW?

Igneococcus · 12/03/2019 12:14

There's a bit in the movie where Captain Marvel is challenged by the bad guy who begins a grand spiel about her 'proving' herself in hand to hand combat, you know the type of monologuing willy-wanging speech? And she stops him mid sentence with a blast of energy from her hand and says "I don't have to prove anything."

I saw it last night and that was actually my favourite bit in the entire movie.
Yes, there were a gaziilion ads for violent games, I've never seen that many before a movie yet.

CaptainMarvelBunting · 12/03/2019 12:07

Hornets, ne problem. I'm happy to make women laugh and hopefully inspire them, but I've got no issue with giving space for interesting questions about things like you've raised.

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Hornets · 12/03/2019 12:07

I don't necessarily think it does need to be gendered. I was more wondering why heroine seems to have fallen out of favour (plus the rise in the use of the term 'shero').

Hornets · 12/03/2019 12:03

CaptainMarvelBunting it wasn't your post in particular that caused me to question it, it's just something I've seen a lot on MN and I just wondered if I'd missed something about the word heroine.

I didn't want to hijack your marvellous story I'm sorry if I have. Blush

EhlanaOfElenia · 12/03/2019 11:49

Why does hero need to be a gendered term at all?

CaptainMarvelBunting · 12/03/2019 11:42

Not deliberate on my part. I don't really like shero particularly. I tend to use hero for men and women. Hang over from my mum having a weird quirk that meant she was oddly prudish about saying heroine because it sounds like drugs. She wouldn't say cigarettes either.

Which is pretty bloody idiosyncratic, I grant you, and probably not the best grounding for a decision about feminist language...

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Hornets · 12/03/2019 11:33

Thanks both FrauleinF and LatinforTelly.

I was just curious really. I thought I might have missed something as to why no one was using heroine, and I also dislike shero (seems like an add-on to something referring to a man, rather than using a term that is only used in reference to a female).

See what you mean about sounding like shewee LatinforTelly Grin

LatinforTelly · 12/03/2019 10:54

I'm not sure either @Hornets. I wondered whether it's because 'heroine' has come to have associations with being rescued, rather than doing the rescuing. I think we should reclaim it personally. I don't like shero - it reminds me of shewee. Confused

FrauleinF · 11/03/2019 18:00

@Hornets That's an interesting point. I'm not sure if the word 'heroine' is in itself offensive, but we seem to talk about " super heroes" in the male form only. Funny that...

Hornets · 11/03/2019 13:15

Can I just ask something (and this is totally genuine interest). I keep seeing reference to "female hero" or even "Shero" but never "heroine".

Has the word heroine dropped out of favour or is there something about it that is offensive? I ask because I've always loved Greek myths and grew up with Gods and Goddesses / heroes and heroines.

I just want to make sure I'm on the same page as everyone else!

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 11/03/2019 12:50

Man goes fishing. Gets bitten on the arse by a frickin shark. Grin

HumberElla · 11/03/2019 12:49

Classy OP, very classy!

LatinforTelly · 11/03/2019 12:42

Brilliant! Grin that made me laugh - especially the last bit.

Well done, OP; normally I think of smart retorts 4 and a half days later.

RiverTam · 11/03/2019 12:39

I know someone who is a big Marvel fan who didn't like Black Panther because it was 'too PC' Hmm.