Pronouns - an invasion of privacy?

Yes I sense they'd like to force me to comply but can't be seen to be racist. Plus they are poor at critical thinking so actually there are holes in my argument but they can't find them.

Is it wrong to admit I quite enjoy their confusion

We sometimes have this where I work I tend to say nothing and gesture that the pronoun sharing can pass to the next person. It does sometimes get picked up on and my response is that insisting on pronouns represents a barrier to full participation for people who do not have English as a native language. Tends to shut down that discussion.

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Exactly. It's just asking too much of everyone. It's hard enough for me to remember why I walked into a room in the first place without expecting me to remember to be super careful not to provoke any hurty feelz with my slap dash mispronouning

I don't want the fact that I'm a woman drawn attention to if it's irrelevant within the context

Agree with this. When it feels as though we're finally getting somewhere with making sex irrelevant to work (eg using actors rather than actors/actresses, waiting staff rather than waiters/waitresses) this feels like a big step backwards.

We have 'pronoun badges' at my work. Nobody in our dept wears one though.

I don't want the fact that I'm a woman drawn attention to if it's irrelevant within the context.

When I analysed it this was exactly my problem, I've spent 30 years fighting for my sex to be irrelevant to my work, to be made to announce it at the beginning of meetings goes against all that. I think I would say this if ever asked.

Some places (Brighton council) issue pronoun badges so people can see what your preferred pronoun is.

I'd like my badge to read "I use pronouns that indicate the person's sex, thank you".

Yeah this would really grate me too.

I wouldn't go so far as to say "it's an invasion of privacy" I think that's overreaching, trans people (if there were any in the room) love telling people they're trans and love forcing counter-intuitive pronouns on everyone.
I don't see how asking non-trans people whether they're trans or not is an invasion of your privacy either.

It's the presumption the everyone in the room must have a gender identity or special pronoun of some sort when hardly anyone does and that would make me feel "othered".
I'm simply releived I don't have to go along with this crap in my life, sorry you have to!

That’s the thing isn’t it OP. If pronouns are based on sex it will usually be obvious. But it’s a whole different story if they are based on gender. No-one can “pass” as non-binary or the other many, many possible genders. But if I am forced to define my pronouns based on gender then presumably I am entitled to have none, given my speshul status under the trans umbrella?

When I see a person, I determine their sex in my head. I use a pronoun specific to their sex to make language easier. This is the way it’s always been in the English language. It’s only recently that pronouns are referring to someone’s gender rather than their sex. Given that someone’s gender identity only exists inside their head it makes sense to the majority of the world to use a sex-specific pronoun for a person, and I argue that one cannot “misgender” someone particularly at a first encounter. See for example the Game Store “It’s MAAM!” How was the game store guy meant to know? It could have been a cross-dressing man happy with sir for all he knew. TRAs would argue we are all meant to ask beforehand but who has time for that?

If someone wants to publicly declare that for reasons only known to them, they no longer want to be referred to as the pronoun for their sex, but one for their gender then that’s their prerogative, but assuming everyone has issues with this, or making everyone take on this perceived difficulty as part of daily life is a colossal waste of time. If it has to be done in a meeting, for reasons of inclusivity, just have someone say “does anyone have anything to declare?” at the start of the meeting.

Personally I would answer “please use the pronouns you see fit to apply to my biological sex”. And in no way whatsoever would I ever declare myself, or be required to declare myself as “cis”.

At least a generation of people will know the meaning of the word pronoun.

There's that.

The pronouning thing just doesn't make sense. If I'm in the room with you then it's just rude for me to refer to you in the 3rd person.

That’s a thought though. “I am non-binary and reject all pronouns for myself. I respect other peoples though right to choose their pronouns, and ask them to respect my need for no pronouns.”

I accept there are non-binary people

I don't. But I accept that there are plenty of people who need to get off Tumblr and grow the fuck up.

Since gender identity is a belief and not a material fact, the pronoun ritual is akin to forcing everyone to swear oaths of allegiance or participate in catechism.

It’s a power play upon the non-aligned or the non-believers.

I dread this happening. I genuinely don’t care - I don’t “identify” as anyone but apparently it is dismissing teh feelz to say this, we must all participate so individuals aren’t outed or feel excluded. I can’t summon a response that is both honest and doesn’t hurt teh feelz!

I am one of the many, many dictionary definition of non-binary people who just don’t think it’s a thing.

YES genedr identity and sex should be totally irrelevant
Yes it is bullying and victim blaming to force women to accept a gender identity
It is incredibly offensive to ask to be treated as a woman when women spend their lives trying to be treated as a man
The only thing I ask as a woman is respect for my body. The right to participate in normal life without being threatened/ having panic attacks.

So that include for example The right to have a heart attack recognised even though the symptoms are not Male . Or Since visibility of people like yourself encourages participation in sport, that extends to the right for female sports at the highest level