Pronouns - an invasion of privacy?

Horsewithno:
At least a generation of people will know the meaning of the word pronoun

There's that

Hahahaha laughed so loud I scared the cat

the pronoun ritual is akin to forcing everyone to swear oaths of allegiance or participate in catechism.

Exactly thank you for expressing that so neatly. It’s a way of exposing non believers. While knowing that in some environments it’s not safe to be open as a non-believer. Divide and rule.

This is yet another way the transcult reinforces its ideology. Pronoun circles make young people announce and therefore cement their identities.

Exactly. It’s a massive invasion of privacy to expect everyone to declare this, and a woke irrelevance to do so most of the time.
it’s forcing everyone to meet a bar of self-redefinition which a few people are trying to establish because it benefits them. Particularly pernicious to present this as a normal requirement to kids and young people.

It’s exactly like requiring everyone else to use ‘cis’ about themselves. Fuck that. Politeness and kindness are optional and I will be putting them second, if undermining women’s rights is the cost of that instance of being polite and kind. I will make exceptions if I want to to that rule as my personal prerogative and use others pronoun preferences but only if I want to. If I don’t want to, I’ll use their name politely and I’ll talk about ‘they’ instead of he or she so that HR can’t complain. But I won’t call anyone male-bodied ‘she’ unless I actively want to.

I will resist massively if my work made it part of work to state my own pronouns. It’s not for the state or my workplace to make me be polite and kind and play along with others pronoun preferences by compelling my own speech and how I describe myself.

Surely if people are announcing pronouns it'd be a good idea to keep a list of them in the meeting then refer to it if needed:
"I think Bob made a good point, he said ... blah, blah,... And I think his reasoning is good."

I see other posters had commented on the rudeness of using a pronoun when the person is present.

Have pronoun enforcers never heard who is she? The cat's mother?

As for email sign offs- what is the point? If you reply only to that person you use their name; if you reply to all but comment on what the person said you still use their name.

Power Could be a good idea. Except I'd say the word was an acronym for Truth Exposing Rad Fem!

Also through the prism of sex - not just gender.

When I analysed it this was exactly my problem, I've spent 30 years fighting for my sex to be irrelevant to my work, to be made to announce it at the beginning of meetings goes against all that

Cordelia Fine’s “the delusion of gender” cites several studies where inducing women to think of themselves through the prism of gender before tests/interviews etc affects performance, usually inhibiting strong performance and skewing it towards what’s expected from traditional gender stereotypes.

It is completely irrelevant at a meeting. You don't use pronouns in that situation. You either use the person's name. (Jane made a very good point about our widget supplier or if you can't remember her name you fudge it The point about our widget supplier was excellent)

There is no reason to use pronouns- if anything to do so is rude (she made a very good point about our widget supplier)

It's because if someone is trying to participate in discussions in a language that isn't their native one then they are already at a disadvantage. So insisting on pronouns can make them feel worried about saying the wrong thing. It just sets a tone for the discussion that grammar etc must be perfect.

Also some languages don't use pronouns in the same way.

As I said there are holes in my argument but the woke don't want to really look into anything

And it's even worse when it's on email signatures
Oh good Lord tell me this isn't true!

Thanks schmoozer Thats one for a T-shirt

@chrysanthemum what is the wording you use? I really want to nail it. Is it because pronouns are a grammar term that might not be understood by non native speakers?

Op I absolutely agree. And it's even worse when it's on email signatures!

Name badges should be enough. We don’t need to know anything else.

My pronoun badge would just say "any".

Theres a response doing the rounds;

''My pronouns are sex based, like my biology''.

The pronoun badges drive me insane. So I have to be instructed how to refer to you when you're not actually there to police it in person? Ugh. Just fuck off with your controlling bullshit. Who says I want to talk about you at all? It's so insanely narcissistic.

To me it feels similar to saying "I'm Sally from IT and I identify as disabled." Probably not relevant for most meetings.

I'd like to have the courage to say "my pronouns are it and its"
Nobody in a professional workplace is going to refer to someone as it.

I find it a very strange thing to ask someone their pronouns. I'm there in the room, so call me Happy. The only time you are likely to use a pronoun is when you are talking about me not in my presence so why does it matter.