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The boy in a dress

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EweSurname · 08/03/2019 17:42

Argh, this is the first time something has popped up in real life.

We had a parents evening last night and talked to dc’s reluctance to read fiction, which the teacher said she’d tackle.

DC came home from school saying the teacher had noticed that dc and a friend didn’t like reading fiction so challenged them to a competition to see who could read a book the fastest.

The book given was a brand new copy of “the boy in the dress”.

I’ve had a quick flick through in the hope that it would be about a boy who liked wearing dresses and learnt it was fine to but no, Dennis apparently becomes Denise when wearing a dress.

The teacher is so lovely and I’m so grateful that she’s acted so quickly but I don’t think I want DC reading that book, especially given lack of exposure to other fiction!

Google tells me it’s a book celebrating crossdressers ffs. Has anyone read it?

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MoverOfPaper · 17/07/2019 14:09

KEMP, Gene. The Turbulent Term of Tyke Tiler

Grin as I can’t stand Wallliams. Or Baddiel, or most of Dahl...

vaginafetishist · 17/07/2019 13:53

'But in my house we teach acceptance'

Without exception? Wink

Yes Walliams loathsome, vile.

WhatTheWatersShowedMe · 17/07/2019 12:47

Apologies for bumping an old thread but I'm currently reading this with my 6yo DD.

At first I thought the book was quite enlightened with regards to toxic masculinity, the fact that Dennis is breaking stereotypes by liking dresses and playing football...

Then last night we read a chapter where he went to school disguised as 'Denise' and went to the girl's toilets and how amazing it was- all those girls in there, brushing their hair and doing their make-up, and all fussing over 'Denise' and helping 'her' do 'her' make-up, with none of them any the wiser that he was actually male. It was like pure AGP fantasy, right there on the fucking page.

I ended up having a talk with my daughter to tell her that Dennis was being very, very naughty and that no boys should EVER be in the girl's toilets at school, no matter what they're wearing.

FFS. It'll be going straight to the charity shop when we're done with it. David Walliams is gross, and I bet his books are ghost-written.

TeenTimesTwo · 08/03/2019 20:36

Orchid We tried a lot at the time!

(DD is now 14 and will read stuff now, if it has magic / wolves / similar. She graduated from David Walliams to Harry Potter. From thence to Divergent, Hunger Games, and recently Mortal Instruments.)

OrchidInTheSun · 08/03/2019 20:29

What have you tried Teen? I have reluctant readers - maybe I could advise? Smile

TeenTimesTwo · 08/03/2019 19:22

There are plenty of other books in a similar vein for reluctant readers

Well you say so. But we tried a lot of authors before we got to DW and actually succeeded.

OrchidInTheSun · 08/03/2019 19:14

Loathsome books, loathsome man. There are plenty of other books in a similar vein for reluctant readers

Mner2019 · 08/03/2019 19:06

I think they are poorly written and there are some lazy stereotypes in there (Raj) but if they engage with the reluctant readers, then they are a good shout. DS (7yrs) loves them. He is the boy in the dress - dresses up on the sly, plays football etc. I just explained to him that wearing a dress doesn’t make you a woman, the boy is still Dennis. Just like me wearing trousers doesn’t make me a man.

EyesAreNeverClosing · 08/03/2019 19:05

Is that you David? I didn't buy them it was the lovely well meaning relatives trying to do nice who were robbed by the pr campaign

Oh dear. 😂

StephsCaddy · 08/03/2019 19:04

It really is just a story about a boy who likes to do his own thing which sometimes includes wearing a dress.

Both my boys loved his books when they were younger.

TeenTimesTwo · 08/03/2019 19:00

I don't care that Walliams doesn't write good literature.
I don't even care whether he actually writes his own books.
I don't care if he rips off plots from elsewhere.
He got my DD, and many other reluctant readers like her, to read something , and that's what matters with some children.

hedgeharris · 08/03/2019 18:58

We had the bear who went boo - just didn’t resonate with us at all.

NotAnotherJaffaCake · 08/03/2019 18:57

He gives me the complete creeps and he’s a low rent Roald Dahl wannabe. Blergh.

SpeakUpXXWomen · 08/03/2019 18:55

Is that you David?

I didn't buy them it was the lovely well meaning relatives trying to do nice who were robbed by the pr campaign.

EyesAreNeverClosing · 08/03/2019 18:50

We had a plague of Walliams at Christmas, all off to the charity shop unread

I've only ever known a couple of kids not like David Walliams books and they have been kids who are reluctant to read anything.

Maybe have a read of what the books are about before you buy in future as it sounds like you wasted your money.

SpeakUpXXWomen · 08/03/2019 18:47

Cressida Cowell may suit your immediate needs OP.

Popular, excellent and dogma free.

SpeakUpXXWomen · 08/03/2019 18:45

We had a plague of Walliams at Christmas, all off to the charity shop unread. Had a flick through the talentless mammoth one, that last scene with the queen was poached straight out of the BFG. Poor form.

Walliam's entire writing "career" is a PR experiment and nothing more.

MillytantForceit · 08/03/2019 18:43

It has been known.

I understand that David Beckham's agent called and told him he'd written a book.

youllhavehadyourtea · 08/03/2019 18:40

This

Walliams is vile and a terrible author riding on the coat tails of Quentin Blake illustrations and pretending he is Roald Dahl. He isn't. He can't write, seems to detest women and the messages in the books are insidious and awful.

There are a million better authors out there, choose one.

and this

Before Walliams (just saying, not implying) there was Anne Fine's Bill's New Frock.

I suspect Walliams' books are ghost written as are most celeb authors.

MillytantForceit · 08/03/2019 18:26

Before Walliams (just saying, not implying) there was Anne Fine's Bill's New Frock.

hedgeharris · 08/03/2019 18:22

I’m so sick of having the gender campaign rammed down our throats and horrified at the impact on teens and the really confusing things being told to young children about how girls can be boys etc.

I wouldn’t read it because I don’t think it’s a good book - of course if there was a boy wearing a dress I’d teach my dc to accept them.

scotsheather · 08/03/2019 18:19

What CountFosco said. More a case that he had to take on the disguise (wig and maybe some makeup) to wear what he wanted when in an ideal world boys could wear anything simply as themselves. I wonder if girls did the reverse to wear trousers many many moons ago.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 08/03/2019 18:12

Can't go far wrong with David Walliams

god DS and I have just finished the one about a fucking mammoth

it went on forever

we were both heartily relieved when we reached the last chapter. maybe his other books are good but I think I'm too scared by the mammoth marathon of tedium to find out soon

it gave me flashbacks to the fucking prisoner of azkaban

SpeakUpXXWomen · 08/03/2019 18:08

Walliams is vile and a terrible author riding on the coat tails of Quentin Blake illustrations and pretending he is Roald Dahl. He isn't. He can't write, seems to detest women and the messages in the books are insidious and awful.

There are a million better authors out there, choose one.

BiggerBoat1 · 08/03/2019 18:07

Its a wonderful book. It is about having the confidence to be yourself, acceptance and supporting your friends. Great pick by the teacher.