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Deborah Frances-White and trans-women in sport

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RitaFairclough · 07/03/2019 18:25

I think DFW is marvellous and I love the Guilty Feminist. But I just read her comment on Twitter about the sport debate and I am wondering how any feminist can really support that position.

I am too scaredy cat to comment on twitter because I use it for work stuff, but I would like to present the following scenarios...

You are a 12-year-old girl and you are really fast at running. You win medals and you dream of being at the Olympics one day. You can even beat the boys - for now. When you are 13, or 14, a trans-girl arrives in your races. She is much taller than you and she runs faster. She wins the medals, and the sponsorship. You know however hard you train you will never beat her. You give up running.

Or

You are a 12-year-old boy and you’re good at running. But by the time you’re 14, your times are slipping and you’re not winning any more. Your coach suggests you say you’re a girl and try your luck in those races. You’re not keen but your parents are pushy and your coach is too, and once you’ve done it once and won a medal easily you start to see the benefits...

I just can’t see any way in which girls or women don’t lose here.

Deborah Frances-White and trans-women in sport
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ValWiggin · 07/03/2019 18:56

There's a lot to like about DFW. She's a good comedian and public speaker (there's a lot of good stuff in her TED talk). But I found I had to stop listening to the guilty feminist as it became less and less woman-centred and allowed misogynistic speech (I heard the T word more than once). As far as I can see she has totally taken on board the belief that trans men/women are and always have been actual men/women, so acts according to that belief. Interestingly she also talks a lot about being indoctrinated into and then escaping a cult.

ValWiggin · 07/03/2019 18:49

It looks like people are thinking along the same lines as you, OP.

Deborah Frances-White and trans-women in sport
OvaHere · 07/03/2019 18:35

This is such rubbish. For a start there is no such thing as a 12 yr old boy that is a girl. You can't legally transition under 18 so the concept is a nonsense. They might want to be thought of as a girl but no one is under any obligation to go along with that especially where sport in concerned.

No thought given for millions of girls who, if this continues, will very quickly come to understand there is no point in pursuing professional or amateur sport because it only takes one male in any given competition to wreck anything they have worked years for.

FermatsTheorem · 07/03/2019 18:33

Why is it the job of girls to lose out on their athletic dreams so a male-bodied individual can "feel comfortable in their skin"? Why is it always the girls who have to move over.

(For instance the girls who placed 7th and 8th in the Connecticut state under 18s championships, who will not get to go to national trials and be seen by college coaches and possibly win athletics scholarships which will pay for their university education? All because two male bodied individuals, who had gone through male puberty already, were not even on any sort of blocker, had scooped up 1st and 2nd place.)

This woman writes a feminist blog. How can you write a feminist blog and not ask the absolutely basic question: WHAT ABOUT THE GIRLS?

JessicaWakefieldSVH · 07/03/2019 18:28

Her argument isn’t very intelligent at all. It’s emotional manipulation.