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Opting out of trans and LGB lessons

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SparklySneakers · 07/03/2019 17:00

My daughter is objecting to her school making her do LGBT sessions this month. She does not want to go to school for that week. She doesn't see why she has to learn about it, believes you can love whoever you want to love, be whoever you want to be but that you can't change sex.
Can see object or rather me on her behalf? Or maybe a better question is how I can get her to make the most of these sessions.

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ForumGirl · 12/03/2019 22:40

On the topic of religion, Trans ideology is quasi-religious with roots in Gnostic belief, Eg. you are not your body; your body imprisons your inner person which is more real than your physical body.

Whereas modern science states that our bodies are intrinsic to who we are, and when the the two disagree that is a problem of the mind rather than a problem of the body.

ForumGirl · 12/03/2019 22:34

Your child should have the same level of support afforded to eg Muslims who opt out of nativity play rehearsals.

Whether that is personal study time in the same location or carrying on with lessons in another room with a dedicated teacher, the school should respect your religious and philosophical convictions and make alternative arrangements for your child.

R0wantrees · 12/03/2019 10:55

You'll notice that at the same time newspapers are reporting an epidemic of sexual assault and harassment in schools, even primary schools, none of these lesson plans teach girls how to assert their boundaries and boys how to respect them

Programs which do not acknowledge sex cannot focus on sex-based harrassment, sexism etc.
Programs which actively promote the prioritisation of some males' wishes/perceived needs to access single sex spaces intended solely for girls. These spaces are for safety, dignity and privacy.
A core plank of the safeguarding framework is empowering and respecting children's ability to say 'no' and to confidentally assert boundaries around their body.

SparklySneakers · 12/03/2019 09:56

@ForumGirl could I keep her off for the week in that case or do school have to provide alternatives if I object to her being made to take part?
I've been told she can opt out of the form time and an assembly but nothing else.
I want to be clear before I email the head.

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SparklySneakers · 12/03/2019 09:52

I see hq deleted 3 of my posts. Censorship is alive and well.

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RepealTheGRA · 12/03/2019 09:17

This is the best I’ve come across so far.

ukfeminista.org.uk/resources/whats-the-problem/

People need to send it to their local schools and ask them to use it.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 12/03/2019 09:14

I’d love to. DS would disown me... even at work the have the benefit of ‘babies are being born into slavery TODAY - if they are lucky to survive being born female’ lecture.

I’m turning into my grandmother.

LangCleg · 12/03/2019 09:11

You'll notice that at the same time newspapers are reporting an epidemic of sexual assault and harassment in schools, even primary schools, none of these lesson plans teach girls how to assert their boundaries and boys how to respect them.

None. Nope. Not a single one.

RepealTheGRA · 12/03/2019 09:03

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD

Can you PLEASE write a PSHE program and deliver it to all schools?

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 12/03/2019 08:40

And anyone not wearing a rainbow will be bullies for being whatever the shiny new word of the minute is.

The school has to step back and see what it is actually doing here. Sexualising children? Why is this happening? Labelling a child as gay at 12 for gods sake?

My friend genuinely didn’t know they were gay until they got to university. They had partners. You ‘come out’ when you are ready and where you are confident and comfortable with who you are.

And yes - there will be families and other kids who will kick the living crap out of a ‘gay’ child because homophobia is still a thing (because it is human nature to dislike ‘other’). Surely this is potentially putting a child at risk?

Why are some religious families seemingly embracing a ‘trans’ child over a gay one? Why is that?

Stupid, shortsighted, trendy bandwagon jumping.

Why aren’t they teaching kids how to keep safe on the internet? Who social media is a pile of crap that works more for ill than good? How we are manipulated by the media and social media/lobby groups? How we need to combat stress. What are our responsibilities as members of society (step away from the whole mememe I’m so special attitude).

They poo themselves about teching religion yet they allow lobby groups to declare that humans can change sex? That words have no meaning (woman = man in a wig)? That a girl feeling uneasy about changing in front of a male is a hateful bigot who ought to be stoned ‘reeducated’?

No no no.

SparklySneakers · 12/03/2019 08:39

Ill be emailing school later on. I'm not happy she's missing her lessons because she's being made uncomfortable. When she's stressed and upset she's ill.

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R0wantrees · 12/03/2019 08:32

They can wear something rainbow to show they support LGBTQ+ so she feels if she doesn't then she's saying she is against them. She's just turned 12 ffs.

Oh dear, day one did not go well. Being asked three times if she's gay or lesbian.

Older children interrogating younger children about their sexuality?

The School Governors need to be made aware of the impact of this.

They have responsibility for every child at the school (as well as all staff and school's relationship within its commmunity)

LangCleg · 12/03/2019 08:27

They can wear something rainbow to show they support LGBTQ+ so she feels if she doesn't then she's saying she is against them. She's just turned 12 ffs.

This is fucking Maoist.

I honestly can't believe what I'm reading.

LangCleg · 12/03/2019 08:24

Oh dear, day one did not go well. Being asked three times if she's gay or lesbian.

Older children interrogating younger children about their sexuality?

And teachers are not intervening? In lessons about respecting others?

There is something very, very wrong at your child's school, OP.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 12/03/2019 08:23

This has to stop. Teach respect (for yourself and others) teach the law and how ‘no is no’, teach kids that sex is something you don’t force someone into or allow yourself to be bullies into. It’s not a competitive ‘rainbowing’ for gods sake. Rainbow stuff was a symbol of joy when I was a kid, then it because more of a solidarity and friendship. Now it’s just bullying and homophobia (thanks stonewall et al).

I denounce the rainbow. And the stupid unicorns.

JessicaWakefieldSVH · 12/03/2019 08:21

They can wear something rainbow to show they support LGBTQ+ so she feels if she doesn't then she's saying she is against them

That’s pressure too. They’re done this whole thing rather clumsily and it’s OTT. God I’m glad I’m not a kid now.

RepealTheGRA · 12/03/2019 08:21

They can wear something rainbow to show they support LGBTQ+ so she feels if she doesn't then she's saying she is against them. She's just turned 12 ffs.

And this frankly is all a bit ‘yellow star’ like. Very ill advised and divisive.

RepealTheGRA · 12/03/2019 08:19

Oh dear, day one did not go well. Being asked three times if she's gay or lesbian.

That is homophobic bullying and the school need to stamp that shit out!

The school need to be doing impact assessments on their anti LGBTQIWTF bullying ‘education’ just because the intent was good, doesn’t mean the result was.

Homophobia is on the rise in schools (and society as a whole) and bizarrely a lot of it being caused by stonewall and the like and their ill advised strategies.

SparklySneakers · 12/03/2019 08:01

She's off sick today but I will be complaining to the HT. I'm pretty sure she feels I'll because of the stress it's caused her. She's been worried about it for ages and then after me trying to reassure her it's turned into something unpleasant for her. Respect for all should be taught and demonstrated daily as part of the school ethos. There's no need to push like this for a whole week. They can wear something rainbow to show they support LGBTQ+ so she feels if she doesn't then she's saying she is against them. She's just turned 12 ffs.

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JessicaWakefieldSVH · 12/03/2019 07:52

Still totally wrong and you should inform the school.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 12/03/2019 07:50

I was a clever, awkward, masculine teen and spent much of my teenaged years being told I was a lesbian. in the 90's it was an insult, not too sure if that's the situation now

anyhow, my point is that it made me incredibly uncomfortable, particularly as at that point I wasn't too sure myself. it basically felt like bullying

so inappropriate for the school to be facilitating that

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 12/03/2019 07:37

At 12 I was very immature and would have cried and run away if I’d been asked in a group! My sister is gay and we were bullied as a result so it wouldn’t have been great to do that.

It is not their business, they really should’ve be asking directly and ITS NOT THEIR BUSINESS. Outing 12 year olds for God’s sake? Yes some will guess that they are gay, some may wonder, some won’t have a clue what the hell they are talking about. You just can’t ask a child to label themselves in such terms. It’s not fair and is really bullying.

SparklySneakers · 12/03/2019 07:34

It was other students in older years not teachers. Sorry should have made that clear. I'm still not impressed though. The main focus of lessons was respect which is fine but then students asking is not respectful is it??

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JessicaWakefieldSVH · 12/03/2019 07:29

They asked a 12 year old girl what her sexuality was? 3 times? Oh I would rage hell down on anyone that pressured my child like that. Complain immediately.

SparklySneakers · 12/03/2019 07:18

Oh dear, day one did not go well. Being asked three times if she's gay or lesbian. She's very uncomfortable. She can't really explain why.

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