McKinnon targeting Kelly Holmes

Thanks for highlighting this. I use Garmin fitness stuff and regularly recommend their products. I have emailed their press office in support of Dame Kelly Holmes. One would hope that (given the amount of science they claim to put in to their fitness products) they have some grasp of the difference between male and female bodies when it comes to physical ability.

Yeah, Kelly is very GNC in her private life, or that presented to the public at least, and that has an impact on how women are targeted.

Ack, damn media gossip milks, I hadn’t realized. No wish to intrude on her privacy, her sexual orientation is her own business of course! I’ll withdraw that.

i mean sarcelle post

Agree with this ^^

That would be Double-Gold Olympian, 800m & 1500m, Athens 2004

There is no proof she is gay. She is a very private individual and you should not discuss her sexual orientation because we don't know what it is.

I think this is a good thing. Looking at twitter it has alerted people to the ridiculousness of this situation. People who don't normally talk about the way women are being treated by a vocal part of the trans comm (particularly the ex male part) are suddenly engaged and enraged.

"Here they are, marketing wares to "women" based on the stereotypical notion that they have female genitals.

But, before they are accused of being obsessed by genitals...they also have women's bikes which transphobically suggest that women have...brace yourselves for the literal violence, shorter legs!"

Not to mention different shaped seats!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm wonder why that would be.

Bike saddle manufacturers sound transphobic and genitally obsessed to me.

Why hasn't RM gone after daley thompson? We all know why don't we.

Yep. Time and time again, we see men speaking out against trans activism, and they don’t receive a fraction of the threats, abuse and harassment that women get when they say the same thing.

Specialized might have to tread carefully, I suppose. They are, selling women's specific bike seats, tailored to the female physiology. Transphobia bastards.

It's almost as though, when you look at their website, as though there are only two sexes. This must be very troubling, as it doesn't appear very woke.

Here they are, marketing wares to "women" based on the stereotypical notion that they have female genitals.

But, before they are accused of being obsessed by genitals...they also have women's bikes which transphobically suggest that women have...brace yourselves for the literal violence, shorter legs!

So, what does that mean for specialized understanding of women's sports and, specifically, women's cycling? It means when there is money to be made, women are women but when they are pressed by tras, this concept should be flagged for more thinking.

McKinnon is a blithering idiot and I hope one day they will be hoist by their own petard. I wonder if contacting Kelly Holmes sponsors in this way could be viewed as interfering with contractual relations. I'd be talking to a solicitor - depending on what Specialized do next.

sorry that was in response to apples

She;s gender nonconforming is maybe the short version of that

While sharron is much more - on the surface - gender conforming

You are right that GNC women get loads of shit and at least some of that is homophobia / and also to do with being seen as getting above themselves ie trying to step "up" from their role down the pecking order
While women with looks that are patriarchy approved are protected to some extent as seen as more "valuable" and also assumptions about them based on their looks > gender conformity is assumed to a certain extent in women with western social standards of good looking

Which is another feminist discussion!

Why hasn't RM gone after daley thompson? We all know why don't we.

Thanks, I have emailed them.

Don't worry, I will make sure of it. I'm furious at the way these brave and amazing sports WOMEN are being treated.

I had a quick look from an incognito tab as surprise surprise RM has me blocked.
The responses to the specialised thread are really heartening, sense seems to be prevailing.

Kelly Holmes appears to want to keep her sexuality private, as she's not discussed orientation either way and I don't think she's ever publicly presented a partner either. However, I'm not entirely willing to give the benefit of the doubt in respect of her sexuality not being a factor. She's not done the things that women are traditionally supposed to do, so that in some ways means she's an easier target. For all the comments about Sharron looking like a man, she's had three children, was married to quite a high profile man and has had relationships with others. She's done the things women are 'supposed' to do and there's some protection in that. Because Kelly hasn't, and because she lives her life in a way that makes speculation about lesbianism plausible even if she isn't, that in itself is something she can kind of be targeted for. If that makes sense. So even if she isn't a lesbian, I don't think this can be entirely separated from homophobia.

Incredibly foolish to target her though.

I took the looks like a man thing to be

Basic bogstandard male ego that we see all the time

That the worst thing to say to a woman is that she is not attractive to heterosexual men

BOOOHOOOO

Make sure you tell them that Mankyfoot.

placemats it's not really an attempt at a slur, it's more that they are claiming to look as feminine as SD or more feminine, and so they are equally female.

I'm looking to buy a new bike soon. I won't be buying one from Specialized if they cave into that bully's demands.

"McKinnon is Canadian".

Can't believe I mis-countried McKinnon. Or it is mis-nationalitied?

And why isn't RM going after Daley Thompson?