McKinnon targeting Kelly Holmes

Lamaha - your thread was deleted because you used the term TIMs which is banned on MN. There's a pinned post at the top of this board which lists all the verboten terminology.

Oh on FB? I’m not on it...

Deleted? Damn. Ok thanks for telling us. I’ll go check it out

I started a thread today which was deleted. It's a brilliant article on transpeople and sports. However, it can be read on the Fair Play for Women Facebook page, the first post there.

And the thing that is really missing is normal people standing up and saying ugh, disgusting why the fuck would anyone want to do that (inject into, cut, remove, replace, implant, modify, etc healthy bodies to make them part synthetic/tech in a twisted idea of 'improving' upon nature)?

So basically I believe there is a cross-over between McKinnon's ideas and the acid-induced craze of 'body-hacking'. People even think you can hack a bloke's body, put a real or artificial womb in it - he'll be able to gestate a baby and he will literally be a woman - entirely the same as an actual woman. They have watched too much Robocop and taken too many hallucinogens.

My feeling is that it is not just narcissism and echo chambers, but the way that technology, gaming, the banality of porn and social media have warped thinking.

Avatars blending into personas blending into identities. There are lots of people who game, have cyber sex, have social media accounts and completely lie about themselves. There is a sub-sect who don't know who the hell they are anymore. I remember first meeting someone who believed in transhumanism about 12 years ago (before I knew what the word for it was) and I thought it was ridiculous, but the idea is taking hold. I also very recently found out that Silicone Valley is full of people who are constantly on low doses of LSD (as was Steve Jobs) - which explains why completely implausible ideas are taking hold there.

It is a community with its own mystical beliefs that, to people on planet normal, is all very creepy and weird.

And the NZ Chief Scientific Advisor who thinks there are more than two sexes?

A couple of days later she was featured in a woman of NZ article on IWD

...And the NZ Chief Scientific Advisor who thinks there are more than two sexes?

No sign of any word there either.

I’ll be interested in what the reply is from iamspecialized too.

I’ve sent them another email asking for a response.

I don’t even own a bike!

Tbf they might manage it too

It looks like they hope shuffling away from the scene innocently whistling will do the trick.

I am interested in that too

Does anyone know if iamspecialized have finished their investigation into this? I can't find a response to this further than their original idiotic response to RMK...

There is not a girl or woman on the planet who is inspired by an artificially weakened man.

Beautifully put.

Narcissism is blind.

Not strictly true.

Prince Narcissus was so in love with his own refelction that he bent over the river, fell in and drowned.

I sincerely believe that many of these TRA's have serious mental health issues, which means they lack any kind of empathy for others, enjoy inflicting mental and physical pain, demand absolute capitulation from others, remain in an echo chamber listening to others who share their views.
Because they have thus far been humoured by politicians and other groups who have been blinded by political correctness, they have now become more emboldened, so they now view themselves as an enity which is beyond being challenged.
Narcissism is blind.

Maybe. The behaviour and what RM says, I just cannot see it being genuine. Some TRAs come off as totally deluded, but I get the feeling McKinnon knows exactly what they are doing, knows they are wrong, and just pushes it anyway. For what reason..the only thing that makes sense is academia really, as they HAVE to have known that their bollocks would not be swallowed by the majority. I mean, its so well known the differences between male and female in sports that saying men do not have an advantage is like saying adults do not have an advantage on sports days and stuff. They knew, before all of this that it would not be accepted. Maybe it is an experiment to see quite how far you can push people. Rachel has gone in too hard and too fast if they genuinely believe what they say.

Performance Art maybe?

I'm beginning to wonder whether RMcK is actually an extremely dedicated academic who is sacrificing all to a follow-up on their original thesis 'Why You Don't Need To Know What You're Talking About' by seeing how much crap they can spout and how obnoxiously they can behave and still have people believe them.

I have been thinking this for a while now.

Mind I also used to think LM was a Tory plant. And Muscato was actually a secret radfem trying to show up the nonsense. Some just come out with way too much bollocks for me to think they can possibly be real. So am not opposed to a bit of TRA conspiracy theory.

Watching fantastic athletes like Kelly, Sharron and Paula, fill my heart with pride.

How dare McKinnon be so rude. I just find them infuriating

It's an uncomfortable truth that there are very few people who'd be genuinely jubilant at a transwoman's win
If RM won against the men I'd be overjoyed for her. Transwomen winning against men is reason to celebrate.

this footballer is an inspiration. Her first experience of discrimination was being sent home after trying out for the men's team. The coach didn't want the other footballers to feel uncomfortable. I believe she is still a success in the men's team.

I especially don't think any woman or girl will be inspired by an artificially weakened male, who demands they accept the definition of the word woman as a feeling in his head.

It's beyond outrageous.

There is not a girl or woman on the planet who is inspired by an artificially weakened man.

Or a man, or a boy.

People like RMK will be inspiring to young trans people, but not in the way other sports stars are.

It's an uncomfortable truth that there are very few people who'd be genuinely jubilant at a transwoman's win.

I think what I'm trying to say is that I can't put into words just how astonished and proud I am of these women and it seems like a good day to mention and appreciate it. This takes guts. Cheers to you all.

Couldn't agree more.