So what does RK think constitutes a women?

McKinnon is basically the Nigel Farage of trans politics - given endless oppotunities by the BBC to spout their self-regard and opinions. Sadly for women, the BBC doesn’t seem to give a shit about the potential negative outcomes for women. Still, light & oxygen...

There is some logic in what McKinnon says.

McKinnon says that it is a Human Rights matter. If the world is saying that transwomen are women (which they are) then transwomen should not be excluded from women's sports. McKinnon says it is discriminatory to deny them a place on the starting line.

To counter McKinnon arguments, governments and regulatory bodies would have to admit that, actually, transwomen are men. A u-turn at this stage would be embarressing for those who have championed 'gender identity' at government level.

Well, they should have thought of that before they championed the cause. They should have started with questions: 'Are transwomen really women? How? And where is the scientific evidence to prove it?'

They encouraged and emboldened transgender people. They said that McKinnon is a woman, entitled to the rights and resources reserved for born females. They are the ones responsible for McKinnon at al destroying women's sports and feeling entitled to take liberties with women's resources.

why doesn't RmK compete against men?

Because RMK wouldn't win against them? Not because of being trans, just not being good enough. Theres a TW cyclist, Molly Cameron iirc, who did well in men's competitions (there was some issue that for a while the USA cycling body tried to make molly swap to women's)

I'm wondering if this is the direction trans ideology will take now. 'There is no way to prove objectively whether somebody is male or female.' The body doesn't count, and neither does the brain. It is purely subjective and down to individual conviction.

If testosterone has no effect on performance why have (some) athletes taken drugs to raise their testosterone levels to (illegally) improve their performance? Indeed, why is it illegal for athletes to take drugs to raise their testosterone levels at all if it makes no difference?

This person really thinks there is no truth in sex at all? In any way?

I suspect this person knows perfectly well what sex is. However it’s more intoxicating to have the whole world jumping at your every word.

None of the Gender Identity ideaology makes sense. Saying ‘I feel like a woman ergo I am one’ assumes that all women somehow feel the same and even more remarkably that you can know how other people feel inside including members of the opposite sex. Obviously this is impossible - despite 5 decades of experience I can say for certain only how I feel inside my own head. I havent the faintest idea how other women feel and certainly not how a man feels.

A lovely wuvely hair bow.

Eccles
Too true

So what do they think that post menopausal women are?

Irrelevant?

I think this says it all about RMK

No; I think that to get the full picture you need to add that, on the basis of having a PhD with this inspiring title, McKinnon asserted 'I am a Doctor'.

I've never heard anyone with a doctorate plus normal levels of integrity call themselves 'a Doctor'. Especially in the midst of a debate in which medical and scientific understanding is important.

RMK's dissertation's title
Reasonable Assertions: On Norms of assertions and why you don't need to know what you're talking about
I think this says it all about RMK

I suspect a certain person had a brain scan to prove a point and didn't find enough evidence of girliness.

There's a magic potion called Oestrogen. It makes you feel like a teenage girl experiencing female puberty, according to Channel 4's adviser Sue Pascoe - shudder, shudder, yuck.

Testosterone is like an infection or a virus and has to be treated with another magic potion.

That's the science - hormone replacement (sic) therapy - to restore them to the people that they think they should have been, at birth.

As long as you have prescriptions for the magic potions, you can be a record-breaking cyclist or Woman of the Year.

Not even about the presentation though there's Alex something with a full beard

It just someone thinking "I am a woman" and everyone else is supposed to just know and lord help you if you don't intuit the woman-ness and call a bio male "Sir"

Female sport is for people with the womenz feelz.

Hollow so sign of RM yet

....What? On Mumsnet which is quite literally exactly like the Third Reich?

....And they're not going on PM, but it looks like they've recorded something for something at some stage.

Can we get them on for a chat here?

Have they been on PM yet? I forgot to listen but will catch up if so.

'It's the feels.'

I was born female and have been female for nearly 40 years. I have NO idea what it means to feel 'like a woman'. I am so very different from many women I know, and they are different from me. There are probably many women I would have nothing at all in common with. Yet we're all still women, and what we share is our biology, not the contents of our heads (necessarily). I'm flabbergasted on a daily basis that any of this needs spelling out, and that the 'feelz' brigade are taken seriously by anyone at all