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Tavistock’s Experimentation with Puberty Blockers: Scrutinizing the Evidence

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Pimmsnlemonade · 05/03/2019 22:51

www.transgendertrend.com/tavistock-experiment-puberty-blockers/

"To summarize, GIDS launched a study to administer experimental drugs to children suffering from gender dysphoria. Between 2010 and 2014, puberty blockers were given to 50 children. This study yielded only one published scientific article on outcomes. It showed no evidence for the effectiveness of GnRHa: there was no statistically significant difference in psychosocial functioning between the group given blockers and the group given only psychological support. In addition, there is unpublished evidence that after a year on GnRHa children reported greater self-harm, and that girls experienced more behavioural and emotional problems and expressed greater dissatisfaction with their body—so puberty blockers exacerbated gender dysphoria. Yet the study has been used to justify rolling out this drug regime to several hundred children aged under 16. Almost five years after the last patient was enrolled in the experiment, there is no evidence to substantiate Carmichael’s claim ‘that the results thus far have been positive’."

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Bowlofbabelfish · 08/03/2019 21:01

Didn’t she do relationship advice in magazines and on the radio?

Yeah seems so. My brain is still tickling though. I’ll probably wake at 3am and remember but I’m sure it’s been mentioned here before

OldCrone · 08/03/2019 20:56

being trans is something to be celebrated

So not a distressing mental condition which drives sufferers to self harm and suicide if they don't get appropriate treatment, then? OK.

In turn, these families and young people are educating the professionals that they are encountering.

So after a weekend of absorbing Mermaids' propaganda, they can go off and 'educate' their GP about obtaining medication to help them with their celebration of a distressing mental condition. Great.

nettie434 · 08/03/2019 20:20

Quiliam... that name really rings a bell for something else. I will try and remember.
Bowlofbabelfish Didn’t she do relationship advice in magazines and on the radio?
(Outing a previous love of trashy magazines here.)
Thanks all for detective work - this is much worse than I thought.

NeurotrashWarrior · 08/03/2019 19:21

on occasion to challenge and secure better services

NeurotrashWarrior · 08/03/2019 19:20

Yes you're right its.

Elsewhere it says the parents forum has "no younger age limit"

NeurotrashWarrior · 08/03/2019 19:17

Our speakers are not only there to show that being trans is something to be celebrated, but to empower and enable families and young people to access the best care possible in all aspects, and on occasion to challenge and secure better services. In turn, these families and young people are educating the professionals that they are encountering.

Families have reported that as well as the educational aspects of the weekends, the ability to meet others in a supportive environment without the need to explain or justify themselves or their children is invaluable.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 08/03/2019 19:17

It does say the residential is for over 16's with family members

I read it as families (ie with children) + solo 16+?

NeurotrashWarrior · 08/03/2019 19:15

It does say the residential is for over 16's with family members.

Just leaving this quote here:

Weekends run from Friday early evening to Sunday lunchtime/afternoon, and comprise of a meet and greet on Friday, then Saturday we deliver workshops and speakers, with plenty of opportunities to ask questions and socialise. A communal evening meal follows, and then Sunday is for families and teens to solidify friendships and swap details.

www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/transgender-meetups.html

NeurotrashWarrior · 08/03/2019 19:11

Can’t wait for the article.

Me neither.

sackrifice · 08/03/2019 19:05

Wow indeed.

Interesting blocking out of sunlight there Mermaids...

hipsterfun · 08/03/2019 19:04

Can’t wait for the article. Anyone know what time it’s expected?

NeurotrashWarrior · 08/03/2019 19:00

So these residential courses are arranged in secret for whole families and Tavistock staff.

Has anyone else got safeguarding in neon lights flashing in front of their eyes accompanied by various klaxons and alarms?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 08/03/2019 18:55

Wow the parent's forum is like Fort Knox

Can't have cult members being exposed to facts.

NeurotrashWarrior · 08/03/2019 18:53

Wow the parent's forum is like Fort Knox.

www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/parents-support-forum.html

RedToothBrush · 08/03/2019 18:48

Mermaids have gone full on totalitarian dictator with tanks approaching haven't they?

There are no tanks in Baghdad.

JessicaWakefieldSVH · 08/03/2019 18:45

even if we give them hormomes

Who is ‘we’ Susie? Gosh.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 08/03/2019 18:42

Ha! Just checked Mermaids Twitter and the supporters are indeed twitting righteously Grin

"Biased journalism"
"Transphobic practitioners" in the NHS
"Generalised accusations"
"Smear article"...

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 08/03/2019 18:35

Mermaids aren’t very smart are they?

I don't think it's just that. They are really in the shit now and nothing they can say is going to get them out of it. The best they can hope for is to try and drum up enough righteous indignation amongst their supporters so they will twit all over the place that Mermaids is being oppressed.

Bowlofbabelfish · 08/03/2019 18:25

This does not, however, ever involve conversations around individual medical interventions for service users.

I’ll just leave this nice tweet here.

Tavistock’s Experimentation with Puberty Blockers: Scrutinizing the Evidence
Bowlofbabelfish · 08/03/2019 18:22

Mermaids aren’t very smart are they?

Pro tip: when a journalist asks you for a statement about you doing A Thing they aren’t asking you for your opinion about The Thing, they’re telling you they have evidence of you doing The Thing and want to get you to deny it, so they can write an article juxtaposing their evidence of you doing The Thing with your frantic denials.

I look forward to the article

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 08/03/2019 18:13

Interesting statement (blog post?) by mermaids

I'm glad to see a journo asking the questions, and I'm sure they will have the evidence to back up the fact that Mermaids is desperately lying.

NeurotrashWarrior · 08/03/2019 18:12

Weekend residential courses for families.

GatherlyGal · 08/03/2019 17:59

I agree *NeurotrashWarrior" also that's a bit at odds with

This does not, however, ever involve conversations around individual medical interventions for service users.

Hard to imagine a weekend long event talking about service and pathways that does not involve conversations around individual medical interventions

NeurotrashWarrior · 08/03/2019 17:55

This is key for me:

The Tavistock clinic delivers general information talks at Mermaids residential weekends for families to inform about the service and the pathways, and hold regular meetings with senior management of both organisations to continue to maintain a respectful relationship.

NeurotrashWarrior · 08/03/2019 17:50

Interesting statement (blog post?) by mermaids:

www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/mermaids-media-statement-8th-march-2019.html