Tavistock’s Experimentation with Puberty Blockers: Scrutinizing the Evidence

Yy Wakefield.

Ffs the impact on the young developing brain must be obvious. My local area basic safeguarding training for anyone working in schools, even the cleaners, included a section on how the brain develops; two key big organisations and reorganisations being 0-3 and then puberty.

The modern Wakefield scandal, acceptable drug abuse, self harm cult. At least eyes are opening now.

This is why parents can trust no one. The professionals that we are told to go to when we have a trans identifying child are experimenting on our kids. Thank f**k this is now being exposed. We can’t trust anyone. The TRA brigade and the NHS sheep are all complicit in child abuse.

Who will be our saviour?
Posie, Dr nic, transgendertrend, The resisters, Glinner, etc.

A year and a half ago, there was only transgender tend, 4th wave now, lily maynard, gender critical dad and gender critical parent website that I could access. I found mumsnet by chance and couldn’t believe the amount of information that people like the bewilderness, Lang cleg, Datun, Fermats , bowl of fish were impacting this debate. There are actually many many more names to add to this. Indeed all you amazing posters have kept me semi sane. The influence you all have is not to be under estimated. Yes, we can thank all our big names and celebrities but let’s face it, without all you mumsnetters , we would not be where we are now and we would not be exposing the cult of transgender. I do understand the parents who have accepted that their child is trans though. I understand that most of these parents are doing it from the view that this is what they have been told thus they go with the given narrative.
I can’t and won’t do this makes it really difficult as I am in conflict with my child and the narrative.
Now that this narrative is being debated I am hopeful that other parents will become more critical. I wonder if some of those parents who listened to the professionals and the lobbyists are now feeling betrayed, embittered and gaslighted? But what do those parents do? They believed in the ‘experts’ and have to follow through.
Puberty blockers were missold. I hope they sue the NHS.

Now I definitely won't sleep.

Mermaids and GIRES should be shut down immediately until their role in this has been investigated. They have not acted in the best interests of the children they claim to represent by putting pressure on GIDS.
I want to see this on all front pages, but more than that, I want to see someone from the NHS and government show some leadership. This has to stop.

If that’s an autocorrect, it’s a humdinger.

I honestly think that the atavistic is crying out for help

When a patient requests a gender reassignment of either type, the patient's GP or Primary Care Trust must write to the Personal Demographics Service (PDS) National Back Office. The case will then be managed by them.

The National Back Office creates a new identity with a new NHS Number and requests the records held by the patient's GP. These records are then transferred to the new identity and forwarded to the new GP.

The old NHS Number is withdrawn so that it can no longer be used. Questions on the process should be referred to the patient's Primary Care Trust.

www.wessexlmcs.com/transgenderpatientsgenderreassignment

(It looks like they didn’t but then the negative outcomes are also not controlled for multiple comparisons. The evidence of negative outcomes is still far stronger than any evidence of positive outcomes.)

My child (now adult) transitioned several years ago but did not get a new NHS number. It is not automatic.

This gets more fucked up on a daily basis. Those poor kids caught up in this abuse.

I wonder how much of this report was buried and unknown within and outside of GIDS and the NHS , because I cannot believe that TG are the first to discover this info, even if they are the first to bring the results out into the daylight. If there is one report showing questionable data, there are no doubt others. How many institutions globally are involved in covering up the problems, and is this linked to the push to introduce CSH at an earlier age?

Natal girls showed a significant increase in behavioural and emotional problems’, according to their parents (also from the Child Behavior Checklist, contradicting the only positive result

Of course, the “contradiction” isn’t necessarily contradictory. The negative outcome was for girls, the positive result they reported was for the whole group.

Just in case anyone wants to ponder the implications of that and get even angrier.

(Also it sounds like they measured a lot of outcomes so did they control for multiple comparisons to get even that one positive result?)

This is precisely the danger in not only giving harmful drugs to children but of swallowing the trans demands. A terrible outcome for those children ,now young people.

In addition, there is unpublished evidence that after a year on GnRHa children reported greater self-harm, and that girls experienced more behavioural and emotional problems and expressed greater dissatisfaction with their body—so puberty blockers exacerbated gender dysphoria. Yet the study has been used to justify rolling out this drug

Why though? Why roll it out when it's not helpful? I don't get it.

After the Panorama programme last week, there was some discussion about the Tavistock getting new funding for a big follow up study. Really, if they can’t follow up 50 people properly, how will they manage a large scale study? They wouldn’t need NHS numbers etc if they asked for consent to keep in touch to ask people if they would be willing to take part in further rounds of data collection.

They lose track of all the kids that come through their system once the children hit 18. They collect no follow-up data at all.

Is this deliberate? Anyone who is on hormone treatment is still in the system, so how do they manage to lose track of them all?

oh god, so they already had evidence this protocol is harmful and they covered it up. FUCK.

Well, it was obvious that it's harmful. But I thought it would take a few more years of child experimentation before anyone would ever be willing to admit it. I can't believe the evidence was all there already, just papered over.

What's extra horrifying is that the negative effects are all psychological.

It looks like those kids might not even be even experiencing drug side effects, they could simply be experiencing negative outcomes from being locked into a damaging identity which they would otherwise have grown out of. Any physical damage from the puberty blockers hasn't hit them yet, all of that's in the post and already the outcomes are bad. (And what about cognitive outcomes? Were those even tested?)

Also that level of loss to follow up is crazy. I suspect TRAs will latch onto the fact that many subjects dropped out and use it to obfuscate this analysis as much as possible; I've seen their amazing success in confusing people about that Swedish study.

I’m stunned that transitioners get a new NHS number. Does the data from the old number get transferred? Do they get a shiny new record?

Who hasn’t asked a question on the Penny webchat yet, who’d like to hear her thoughts on this one

I really hope this gets picked up by the mainstream media. It is INSANE that there is no follow up when the kids leave the service at 18.

It makes me wonder what the hell else is going on with no oversight

Doesn’t it

I have no words....

Horrifying. Just appalling on so many counts. These kids will mostly be in their early twenties now and I bet none of them are in a position to afford legal help.

It makes me wonder what the hell else is going on with no oversight.

This is absolutely shocking.

And this.

"However, GIDS apparently failed to collect any data on its experimental subjects after they turned 18. In a startling admission, Carmichael and coauthors blame ‘the frequent change in nominal and legal identity, including NHS number in those referred on to adult services’—‘to date they have not been able to be followed up’ (Butler et al. 2018). (Transgender activists successfully lobbied the NHS to provide new numbers to patients as well as to change the ‘gender’ on their medical records.)"

They lose track of all the kids that come through their system once the children hit 18. They collect no follow-up data at all.

This ties in with what Marcus Evans (former governor of the Tavistock who resigned recently) has been saying.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6762379/Former-governor-says-fears-hurrying-children-transgender-path.html

"Considering the lack of clinical evidence for the drugs used, one might question why the national service (which has been going for 30 years) hasn’t yet undertaken a research study or even collected basic follow-up outcome data?"

Heads need to roll

This is just unbelievable.