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Bloody hell BBC

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WorkingItOutAsIGo · 05/03/2019 07:06

Reading the BBC news online this morning and there is not one, but two stories about transgender people. One promoting the transition of a small child, and the other promoting sport for transgender athletes. The latter in particular looks like a direct attempt to counter the news discussion over the last few days in sport.

This isn’t news, it’s wartime propaganda.

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ChattyLion · 05/03/2019 08:20

Also... Christ on a bike.. the idea you can tell who is male or female by noticing how many towels they use or who they say they will want to marry when they grow up. Hmm

Because that’s not at all a homophobic test is it. If they mention same sex attraction then they must be a trans person and be trapped in the wrong body but actually be a straight person all along. Hmm

Not talking here with ref to this (or any other) particular child’s case that their mum or dad has given to the national media of course. This is a v common trope that genderists come out with.

Myusernameismud · 05/03/2019 08:20

DD 12 has never been interested in playing with make up, so far anyway. She tucks her long hair up inside a cap, wears tracksuits, plays football and loathes anything seen as 'girly'. As a 6 year old she requested hot wheels for Christmas.
DS10 used to jump out of the bath tuck his willy between his legs and say 'look I'm a girl!'. He also insists on at least 2 towels occasionally 3. He always wanted his finger and toenails painted when he was smaller, not so much now. He played with a pram and had a yellow dress he was particularly fond of in the dress up box.

Guess what? Neither of them were born in the wrong body. I just haven't ever impressed gender stereotypes on them.

Encouraging kids to transition at an age where they are naturally exploring what it means to be a boy/girl is bullshit. It's dangerous and exploitative. And it pisses me right off.

GerryblewuptheER · 05/03/2019 08:16

That’s the hill I’m happy to die on after 17 working in family support in education

I'm.just a mum but I'll join you. This is all.as manipulative as wedding proposals in front of hundreds of people. How does someone back out or say no or change their minds when they they give then a news story and celebrity status

Dont tell me that poor kid down the road whos parents work shifts and he sees his mum half asleep for half an hour a day, wont be tempted by all the attention thrown a kids way for being trans. Deliberate recruiting

FamilyOfAliens · 05/03/2019 08:11

Perhaps of people saw that they were letting them use toilets and changing rooms or having assemblies telling Kids that stereotypes were what made you a boy or a girl people might stop and think a bit more...

That’s the hill I’m happy to die on after 17 working in family support in education.

I just wish Transgendertrend had the money to send trainers into schools so we could choose between having fact-based training of teachers and trans propaganda.

ChattyLion · 05/03/2019 08:11

Sorry but I really don’t agree with parents whose kids are experimenting with something and who like dressing up going and putting their kids lives into the national media like this. Makes it harder for kids to desist in future when we know the vast majority will do so. Big national media and social media fuss now telling the kid they really are a girl called Autumn and to go live their true life as a girl.

Almost as though the parents of these kids are very naive and being encouraged by the self-interested genderist lobby to go public - or it’s as if these parents have got some kind of personal interest or agenda of their own invested in how this plays out for their normally experimenting and possibly gay or lesbians children.

Neither of which position are led by the child’s best interests or child’s right to an open future. Sad

TimeLady · 05/03/2019 08:11

I wonder how much of the playing with makeup is influenced by the amount their mums use?

StealthPolarBear · 05/03/2019 08:10

Yes and 12yo ds uses two towels when he can, what the hell has that got to do with gender. This is utter utemter madness and it needs n to stop

Sicario · 05/03/2019 08:09

The BBC is a viper's nest of a corporation. It is built on petty politics and personal agendas, all funded by the tax payer. Their diversity and inclusiveness mantra was infiltrated by the trans agenda a long time ago.

StealthPolarBear · 05/03/2019 08:08

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I found the pictures of the child with the drag queen makeup slightly disturbing."
Yes and the comments that she enjoys playing with make up like most nine year old girls. I'm sure some do but my 9yo DD doesn't and neither do her friends so I am furious that they're trying to say most primary school girls play with make up.

EverardDigby · 05/03/2019 08:06

I just came here to say that. I went onto their website because I caught the end of something on Today that I thought was about DV, didn't find that but saw the trans promo. On the plus side they did have an article about cervical screening that talked about women. Considering giving up my licence as I don't watch live telly and very rarely iPlayer.

Also, I only use one towel Hmm.

WeRiseUp · 05/03/2019 08:05

Couldn't read that trans kid article. What guff. It's exactly the fucking same as every other propaganda piece we've been fed for what? 8 years now?

Webberly was really surprised that the Panorama piece on Tavistock wasn't just an extended version of the 'transkid' propaganda piece. Maybe her and Suzie got together with Helen Belcher to crack some skulls at the beeb.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 05/03/2019 08:03

FFS the Today Programme has just said its going to cover whether male and female brains are different. Guess what they will conclude?

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WeRiseUp · 05/03/2019 07:58

Similar to the Labour Party, sorry

WeRiseUp · 05/03/2019 07:57

There seems to be a higher than average % of trans employees at the BBC, according to figures.

And lower than average % of lesbians.

Seems like the pattern of entryism and hounding out/ejection of lesbians on spurious grounds probably was similar to the BBC and other orgs.

This has been one wide scale takeover of democracy which has been going on for fucking years. Right under our noses. Anyone who joins the dots or objects is immediately branded a bigot/transphobe/t*rf and ousted.

sleepyhead · 05/03/2019 07:53

Fuck sake! Children love dressing up and experimenting with makeup. Children love glitter and rainbow colours and shiny things.

When's it going to to sink in that narrowing the definition of "real boy" and "real girl" to the crudest stereotypes is harmful to mental (and now potentially physical) health?

HexagonalBattenburg · 05/03/2019 07:45

I only use one towel in the shower but my husband uses every bloody towel in the house given half the chance. We must be doing this gender thing totally wrong.

SileneOliveira · 05/03/2019 07:43

I'm in Scotland and saw the piece about Blair Hamilton on the news last night.

A quick summary - Blair was a decent male footballer, played for the Uni men's team. Blair then decided to transition into a woman. Blair now plays for the women's team. Blair is bigger and heftier than the rest of the team. Blair was interviews stating that there is no physical advantage as Blair is taking hormones.

As a mum, I wouldn't want my daughter to be slide tackled by Blair.

The piece was not about increasing trans people's participation in sport. It was about women moving over to make room for them.

Lemoncakestrudel · 05/03/2019 07:42

Derailing slightly, but the eyeshadow on babies on nappy packaging is added afterwards. Because, you know, babies aren’t pretty enough by themselves.

RockyFlintstone · 05/03/2019 07:39

From the article about the child:

She adds: "At this moment in time, Autumn is very settled into living as a female and, when she talks about the future and her dreams, it's about being a mother and getting married to the man of her dreams.

Ah yes, well that proves it then doesn't it? Nothing sums up 'female' better than the desire to get married to the man of your dreams. Autumn is definitely a girl.

Honestly, what is this horseshit?

Saltovinegar · 05/03/2019 07:33

crosspelican totally agree.

My first thought was Munchausens by proxy.

spreadingchestnuttree · 05/03/2019 07:32

I thought both of the articles are actually not too bad in terms of the "science bits" - more balance than I've seen in a lot of trans articles.

crosspelican · 05/03/2019 07:30

I'm judging the fuck out of Autumn's mother. Sounds a hell of a lot more like a bunch of stiff going on in her head, and not just Autumn's. Who on earth plasters a child in a full face of makeup?

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 05/03/2019 07:29

Each individual complaint I make to the BBC just gets fobbed off every time. But today’s news selection is such clear evidence that they are pursuing an agenda to counter other news stories and completely disregarding the genuine questioning there has been...time for another complaint I think.

I do feel there is a terribly sad side effect of all this which is that trust in our institutions is being destroyed and half of me wonders if that is the intention.

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TheBitterBoy · 05/03/2019 07:28

The Today programme has Paula Radcliffe talking about transgender sport on this morning, I think before 8am, will be interesting to see if it's just her talking. It's Nick Robinson today and he has shown signs of being GC in the past.

newroundhere · 05/03/2019 07:27

Oh no! I only use one towel! I've just realised I must actually be a man. How do I break the news to DH?

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