Bloody hell BBC

The mother of Autumn has just called in to Radio 5 Live, was around 12.15 onwards.

I suspect that the documentary on the transitioning child will raise a lot of questions about the parents who seek out Mermaids.

Also the social expectations will be on the girls within such a narrative to accept MtF classmates as part of validating their new female identity. It’s never ‘I like makeup and i’m going to carry on playing football with boys and girls while I am decked out in my glittery outfit’. It’s always ‘I like makeup and so I am going to play with just girls, because all girls like make up.’

(See that appallingly sex stereotyped I am Jazz picture book for children for details.)

So that whereas a fellow pupil maybe used to be an angry boy (and so the girls may or may not have played with him) now he is ‘living as a girl’ the kids have to accept that he is somehow a different person, (how?) that he is a girl.

So girls in the class should all want to play with this new girl in their class- but not the normal girl stuff ie whatever they would normally play.. but stereotyped girl stuff like make up and dresses.

It’s requiring the girls to perform femininity because a male child wants them to do so- ie giving the girls sex stereotypes to enact as an identity prop for a boy. it is so wrong, gaslighting and boundary erasing girls in primary.

It’s also shit for the boy whose parents are trying to trans them. Because the girls in their class will grow out of spending much time on make up and dresses and will do other things with their friends, and will also want to share female experiences with each other- especially as puberty approaches. The girls will want to hang out with other girls, girls who get it.

That's very interesting @BettyDuMonde

I believe there is some data to suggest that trans identifying children often have multiple siblings of the same birth sex. There is some peculiar stuff about incidence in twins too, both fraternal and identical.

Of course, an actual, relevant research project into this stuff couldn’t take place in the current political climate. Which is utterly shit for the kids affected.

I remember a thread from a long time ago when a mum had boys and then had another.

The underlying tone was that she was disappointed in this but, luckily for her, this last child felt as if he should be a girl at a very young age-3 or 4- and she now referred to him as her daughter.

I thought at the time this was a type of child abuse and that thought is never far from my mind when I read about mums who have a shed load of boys and one of them becomes a very girly girl. More to do with mum's disappointment I think.

On the subject of complaints to the BBC, it's always worth making one. I was one of many who complained that they were planning to have Dr Helen Webberley on BBC 5Live last Monday and said it was totally inappropriate to have a guest who had been convicted of malpractice in this very area of concern. I had a reply this morning to confirm that she didn't appear.

"Thank you for contacting us. We did not broadcast an interview with Helen Webberley on the 25th February. Any interviews or features we are planning will follow the BBC’s Editorial Guidelines. We appreciate your views on this and thank you again for getting in touch with us."

FFS why are these young trans girls wearing ridiculously heavy makeup, I wouldn’t let my 9yo actual daughter do it 🙄 experimenting sure, but that? Plus duck face pouting? No

In the case of this article, as in the Butterflies drama, to make sure the boy concerned can be told apart from other boys. Without it Autumn would be indistinguishable from Autumn's brothers. A bit of me is also wondering whether Autumn's mother was disappointed to have three sons and would have wanted to have a daughter...

I also found it creepy.

You don't want to make Anthony angry, do you children?

It is like teachers are placing the responsibility for Anthony's behaviour on the other children.

It is also practically telling other children that if they are upset or angry (which is perfectly normal sometimes for children), then there is a solution. You just have to decide to change your sex and you'll be much happier.

teachers have tackled the issue "head on".
"They will say things like, 'Do you remember Anthony? Do you remember how upset he could get, and how angry he could be? Don't you think Autumn is happier?', and explaining Autumn is who she wants to be,"
I found this bit very creepy

Re towels: I use two one day and one the next so I guess that makes me genderfluid?

what I don't understand about all this
is the fact the child who identifies with being female is always caked in makeup!? 9 year old caked in loads of makeup ? as if that's what defines you being female!?
(from a non makeup wearing woman.....well last time I put any makeup on was nearly 3 months ago!)

They're having to step up the positive articles as people are slowly waking up to it. I don't think it's surprising that this comes after the Government says it's reviewing transgender policies in health and justice.

No, BBC, not all 9 year old female girls want to put on makeup. Some prefer gaming, reading, writing stories, painting, swimming, running, tennis, football, martial arts, having fun spending time with their friends, doing well in school, playing and composing music, chilling out with their siblings and their mum and dad.

Thought on the plus side, i now relieved to know I am an actual woman because I use two towels after the shower - one for my body and one for my hair “like a woman”.

I only use one towel.. I must be a man.

I do think that there are a lot of absent fathers (as in totally out of the picture) in families where a child identifies as transgender.

Where single mums are on their own trying to bring up a family, they are often isolated socially, don't have any spare money for activities, etc. That, of course, makes it easier for the mother to be groomed by the trans cult online. The lure of becoming a trans tiger mum can be very attractive. You too can be brave and stunning and write books and appear on TV. And you don't have to get the agreement of the other parent beforehand.

While schools teaching utter bollocks in the well-meant aim to support trans kids is basically everywhere- the family in this BBC article are in Shropshire.

Good news is the local council legally correctly cites sex as a protected characteristic.

www.shropshire.gov.uk/equality-diversity-and-social-inclusion/equality-diversity-and-social-inclusion/

And they do equality impact assessments.
www.shropshire.gov.uk/equality-diversity-and-social-inclusion/equality-objectives/

more here: www.shropshire.gov.uk/equality-diversity-and-social-inclusion/

So this local authority will hopefully understand the inconsistency of teaching regressive sex stereotypes vs their legal public sector equality duty, if this is what is happening in local schools. They might find the free Transgender trend schools pack useful in helping teachers in the LA to support trans-identifying children without also promoting sex stereotypes, and without impacting on girl children or women teachers’ privacy and dignity in the school environment.

This often requires single sex facilities such as toilets or changing facilities to be provided in a school setting, for example. Not single gender (self-ID) changing and toileting.

This regressive agenda is all over UK schools. It will be up to parents to challenge it. There’s more here: www.transgendertrend.com

On a 🥝 farm thread they had a photo montage of smiling mothers on the left, kids in the middle and gloomy eye rolling men on the right. Make of that what you will.

BBC ARE obsessed with trans issues, I really do think so.

I enjoyed hearing Josie Lawrence on R4 Just a Minute yesterday, she said something like 'Why is every bloody woman who does something great called a man now...' It got a massive cheer too.

And is anyone getting frustrated that the parents featured are always the mothers? The fathers are either absent or silent. We very rarely hear from the father of a child who identifies as transgender

yes, that is really noticeable actually. I have no idea why it happens though

Yes, I noticed that about the book-appalling!

Actually, I think any mother who lets her nine year old wear a face full of applied-as opposed to dressing up- make up needs to examine her own motives.

That poor child. If Autumn becomes Anthony, Dobbin the Horse or Thomas Tank in the future, that article will be out there for everyone to see. Irresponsible of the publicly funded BBC but almost unbelievable that the child's own mother would do such a thing to her own child.

From the 9 year old child article:

"Ms Norris says it has been "incredibly supportive", and, although the children have had "mixed reactions", teachers have tackled the issue "head on".

"They will say things like, 'Do you remember Anthony? Do you remember how upset he could get, and how angry he could be? Don't you think Autumn is happier?', and explaining Autumn is who she wants to be," Ms Norris says".

Sounds like Anthony had difficulty in school previously. Upset and angry, according to the teachers.

Wonder if there was any exploration of ADHD, autism, other issues with the school? Or was it a quick leap to transgender?

"She adds: "At this moment in time, Autumn is very settled into living as a female and, when she talks about the future and her dreams, it's about being a mother and getting married to the man of her dreams".

Being a biological mother is actually impossible and finding a person to marry is going to be difficult, since the vast majority of people are either heterosexual (only interested in the opposite biological sex) or homosexual (only interested in the same biological sex).

And I'd be looking to inspire Anthony in other ways - hobbies, sports, studying, travel. Getting married and having kids should not be the only dreams that a young child has, even more so in this situation.

Totally agree that the BBC should not be featuring these children.

It is unethical.

And is anyone getting frustrated that the parents featured are always the mothers? The fathers are either absent or silent. We very rarely hear from the father of a child who identifies as transgender.

I'd love the BBC to do an article on exactly why that is.

I don’t think it’s ethical for broadcasters to refer to ‘trans children’ at all. They wouldn’t refer to ‘Labour children’ or ‘Conservative children’ or ‘communist children’ or ‘fascist children’ would they?
Agreed 100%

Also any time they mention Desmond is Amazing they really should point out that both his parents are unemployed and his drag act pays the actual rent...

“ALittleBitofVitriol

Indeed Floral
The article even says that Autumn's mum is writing a book about their journey...”

You don’t say

When I got to the bit that mother is writing a book about "her" experience, it all made sense.