Bloody hell BBC

Betty to you and your daughter.

shutting down conversation with your child who's experiencing gender dysphoria and saying no darling you can't transition is only going to make them feel a lot worse.

It was great that in the late 50's, when I was a girl who longed to be a boy, all this shit was unheard of. My mother was very liberal. She actually added a middle name to my birth certificate so that I could be called Jo. I cut my hair short. I liked boys adventures etc. But I knew, I ALWAYS knew, that I could not become a boy.
Sarah, do not underestimate the ability of children to deal with facts, with truth. It's fine to tell them "no you can't', and actually helps them mature much better than pandering to their desires (Oh darling you can be anything you want, of course to can be a real boy/girl, we just have to pump you with hormones/cut off bits of your body!
Again: thank God these options were not available in the 50's. People tend to denigrate the 50's a lot but I have to say there was a lot more common sense around in those days.

Thought on the plus side, i now relieved to know I am an actual woman because I use two towels after the shower - one for my body and one for my hair “like a woman”.

So does DH........ he's bald........

Do you think he's trying to subconsciously tell me something?

•   <strong><a class="break-all" href="https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/treatment/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The NHS says most treatment</a>t</strong> at this stage is psychological and not surgical, because the majority of children with suspected gender dysphoria do not have the condition once they reach puberty
    It says a child refusing to wear typical boys' or girls' clothes is usually just part of growing up, although for those with gender dysphoria this will continue into adulthood
  

I think this is what parents of young transgender children should take note of. How many us would, in today's climate, be pushed down the transgender route? I know I would have been.

A reply from another detransitioned woman: @catt_bear

When it come to detransitioners, this isn’t a war of ideas, this is about real harm done to our bodies, our money, our psyches, our careers, our relationships, and I’m going to keep being angry until there’s both change to prevent harm and efforts to make the victims whole.

From that twitter,

I have no time for people who ask 'why do you have to be such a terf because you detransitioned'. I'm a big terf because trans ideology stole several years of my life, fucked up my relationship with my sexuality and then when I had doubts, I was excommunicated from my community.

The movement that sold this to me, a teenage lesbian already under the weight of homophobia, were bad people. They failed in their duty to properly analyse the ramifications for a kid like me and I wasn't able to do it myself bc I was a child. Fuck you guys. I deserved better.

Perhaps ‘Autumn’s’ mother should be reported to NSPCC? I realise they too have been brainwashed but if they start taking reports on this it might make them think?

This twitter thread has some excellent points about the complicit lies fed to lgbt youth who then have to deal with the damage done to their bodies when they detransition.

The anger is heartbreaking

twitter.com/exitsign_/status/1103987266807087105?s=21

It sounds like a sick conspiracy from where there is no recourse. I read this as “the mother isn’t going to safeguard the child so neither will we”. Not social services, the police, the government... an empty vacuum and a time bomb waiting to go off.

So her identity and life as a transgender child is not a secret and we are entitled to rely on parental consent in telling this story.

Maybe they should rely on concepts such as 'journalistic integrity' and 'public interest' a bit more.

got a reply from my complaint to the BBC. You'll be surprised to learn that they feel it's a-OK to invade the privacy of a 9 year old boy on the say so of his frankly unhinged sounding mother

His mum's milking the publicity so why shouldn't we jump on the bandwagon, basically. totally missing the point that Autumn is not competent to consent to this sort of laying his private life wide open

poor, poor Autumn

Thank you for getting in touch about our feature article entitled Raising a transgender child: 'Don't you think Autumn is happier?' (www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-47360102)

We are always mindful of the sensitivities involved in any story which potentially raises issues around safeguarding children, which we always carefully consider before we would ever take the decision to identify a child through our journalism.

However I think the key point is that the piece was written and published with the full knowledge and consent of Autumn’s mother, Fran Norris, and in accordance with the BBC’s Editorial Guidelines.

The wider background to their story is that Autumn:

…has identified as a girl for the past two years, after telling her mother she felt she was in the "wrong body"

People know about it at her school, amongst her school friends and in the town where they live and beyond.

As we also point out in the piece, Fran Norris plans to write a book about their "emotional journey", to clear up "misinformation" about the process and how it affects children and their families.

So her identity and life as a transgender child is not a secret and we are entitled to rely on parental consent in telling this story.

We hope you will find this response useful and thank you once again for getting in touch.

Sarah 'cis' is not allowed on MN, can you not use it please? Thanks.

So Sarah why do you think girls shouldn't have to share toilets with trans girls using urinals?
Boys have bathrooms with urinals, if trans girls really are just girls, then surely girls should be ok with other girls using urinals, just as boys are ok with boys using urinals.
Honestly, I would also prefer the idea of individual toilet cubicles for everyone as my DD even in primary doesn't like using the toilets as the doors are too short, and boys come in and laugh.
But the principle applies - girls deserve privacy from boys and their bodies, even if those boys feel like they are girls.

The pressure on her to keep smiling must be overwhelming.

Jazz Jennings' life objectively gets worse and worse, and people are cheering it on more and more.

Sarah, Jazz Jennings is the trans poster girl. Have you seen her? Absolutely sure (at least on TV) that this was what she wanted, throwing parties for it before surgery.

Utterly unprepared for the pain, the repeat surgeries, the fact that she hadn't enough genital tissue to work with; no concept of sexual pleasure, no concept really of adult relationships and boundaries, because this is a young person kept artificially immature for years.

This, I repeat, is the poster kid for 'pausing puberty' in order to create a more womanly appearance in a male child. Those are the results that Jazz makes public. God knows what the poor kid really thinks, in the small hours of the night.

New research is suggesting that puberty blockers will create an eight point drop in the person's IQ. And their spatial awareness and memory function will be irreversibly compromised.

The lie that puberty blockers are harmless and reversible is now being revealed. They are marketed and billed as a pause to puberty. But if you drop 8 IQ points and compromise your spatial awareness/memory/cognitive ability, how can you come to any kind of informed decision about anything?

At aged 10 or 11.

You could pause their puberty until they were 25, and they would be in no better a position.

In fact their position is much worse.

The only possible reason you would do this is if the alternative was death.

Enter debunked suicide statistics, stage left.

"Help them to explore each and every option"

7 (or 9) year olds have none of the knowledge, experience, context or understanding of anatomy, sexuality or consequence required for decision-making of this magnitude. None. You can't ask them to consider scenarios that they simply don't have the capacity to understand. Also, even if they could, you can't even advise them truthfully and with full information because nobody actually knows exactly what the long term consequences are likely to be for the body. I cannot get my head around this idea at all. It's utterly insane.

"Well, if you're absolutely sure darling" 😑

Cis is meaningless... female girls are not a subset of girls - they are what the word describes.

I wouldn't propel my child down that route at all. I'd openly and honestly talk to them and encourage and help them to explore each and every option. If they chose to go down the transition route after lots of discussion and exploration then I would 100% support them.

If you have lied to a child, told them that taking drugs and surgery will make them able to change sex, rather than tell them the truth which is that they will need to be medicated for life, that they will become irreversibly infertile, that they will almost definitely have some sort of sexual dysfunction, that they may have problems with their bones, that they might lose IQ points, that there could be huge complications around any surgery, that there is no changing their mind, then you have essentially propelled them a certain way.

And besides, a child is not capable of understanding the implications of any of the above anyway, they are not developed enough to have to capacity to understand it. So it would be literally impossible to 'explore' sufficiently enough to give informed consent.

It's a bit of a catch 22 this old puberty thing isn't it?

I give up trying to type and read coherently. I'm sure you all get the gist of what I'm trying to say.

Sorry @Ihaventgottimeforthis I misread your post. No I don't think a cis girl should be okay with a trans girl using urinals. I think it would be far easier to have gender neutral toilets, all of which having cubicles. I find it odd then in a male toilet a lot of people choose to use urinals but hey ho, each to their own.

If a trans girl needs to use a urinal, surely another girl shouldn't have a problem with that?

Trans girls are more than capable of weeing in a normal toilet, or do you all have urinals at home?

we pity any parent (such as you) who would propel their child down a road which finishes with amputated genitalia.

I wouldn't propel my child down that route at all. I'd openly and honestly talk to them and encourage and help them to explore each and every option. If they chose to go down the transition route after lots of discussion and exploration then I would 100% support them.