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NHS to review its transgender policies

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magicmole · 04/03/2019 16:01

Didn't see if this had already been posted.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/04/nhs-review-transgender-policies/

The Health Minister, Matt Hancock: "This is a very, very difficult question and the current rules of the NHS are that people are treated as they present," he said. "So if somebody is a woman and has gone through the legal changes to be a woman then they are treated as a woman".

Isn't he conflating several different groups of people there? Anyone who rocks up and self-IDs is not the same as someone who has 'gone through the legal changes'. Plus, does he mean by that people with a GRC (fewer than 5000 people)? I'm not sure what the current guidance is but know someone on here will know.

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RepealTheGRA · 04/03/2019 16:34

He sounds confused, we need to find a constituent to educate him.

If any lurker has him as an MP please send him a link to Joan McAlpines excellent twitter thread:

mobile.twitter.com/JoanMcAlpine/status/1101251118611525633

And direct him to:

fairplayforwomen.com/

womansplaceuk.org/

www.transgendertrend.com/

And get info from

www.facebook.com/events/2199432710322104/

There’s thousands if not millions of lurkers here one of you must have him as your MP. Now’s the time to be a shero Smile

Widerthanathinblueline · 04/03/2019 16:30

Clearly in a lot of circumstances it is essential to the health of the trans person that the ‘system’ recognises them as the sex they are, whilst in some circumstances also acknowledging the gender they wish. So the nhs needs to have ‘fields’ in its computer system for both.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 04/03/2019 16:23

As with prisons, it will boil down to is the issue wanting to be treated as a woman, or is it an insistence on being placed in the presence of biological women whether or not this is in the best interests or wishes of those women.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 04/03/2019 16:18

It's not as if it's impossible to both respect someone's choice of personal identity and not expect women to share wards with males. When accessibility legislation was brought in, all new builds were expected to show in planning how this would be catered for, and time scales and funding was set up to allow for alterations in public buildings. More single rooms. Designated areas. Women do not have to be served up on the altar to make this work, and it's horrifying that this is even in question.

MillytantForceit · 04/03/2019 16:15

He's the Secretary of State for Health. Any taxpayer has the right to contact his office and seek information.

NicoAndTheNiners · 04/03/2019 16:14

He talks about having gone through the legal changes but I thought you weren't allowed to ask to see a GRC? So if someone with a non sex specific medical condition (say appendicitis) rocked up and presented as a woman they'd get treated as a woman and put on a woman's ward?

How would the hospital know if they'd gone through the legal changes or not? Even being in possession of a penis isn't evidence one way or another as you can get the certificate without the surgery.

So someone who is biologically and legally a man could be on a woman's ward if they feel like it.

But of course the nhs has a commitment to single sex wards. Dignity and privacy pledge, etc.

OldCrone · 04/03/2019 16:11

Isn't he conflating several different groups of people there?

He probably hasn't done his homework, and thinks all transwomen are like Jan Morris. Someone should introduce him to Danielle Muscato and Alex Drummond.

RepealTheGRA · 04/03/2019 16:08

Anybody got him as an MP? Probably be a good chance to write to him?

Point out Labour is haemorrhaging women voters over this issue and nobody men or women likes mixed sex wards.

OvaHere · 04/03/2019 16:05

What does treated as they present mean in terms of health care? Would they ignore symptoms that could potentially be prostate cancer because the person identified as a woman?

This does need rethinking very carefully so people are not put at risk on the basis of identity.

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