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Radio 5 now talking about trans sports people

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ginandbearit · 04/03/2019 09:07

Just starting

OP posts:
MillytantForceit · 04/03/2019 10:54

Chris Robshaw, England Rugby player, 6ft 1in, tiny by modern standards, with the England woman's team:

img.youtube.com/vi/R3_xMd3LatI/0.jpg

OvaHere · 04/03/2019 10:48

Verity just actually literally said I've played against women who are 6 ft 4, 6 ft 5 and 23 stone.

Well in Verity's altered reality people like Hannah Mouncey are women so I guess that's the logic circle right there.

MillytantForceit · 04/03/2019 10:43

Pumping women full of testosterone has been tried by the East Germans and their old Warsaw Pact pals.

The results are there for all to see.

MhairiV · 04/03/2019 10:38

Wonder why we aren't discussing the option for women to just take testosterone to bring them up to average male levels? Not that I want this discussion because then we're so far off down the rabbit hole that everything is meaningless (and for a million other reasons obvs), but this is such a very weird conversation I wouldn't rule out someone trying to bring it in. What a mess.

Katvonfelttipeyebrows · 04/03/2019 10:37

OH MY GOD
I'm listening back
Verity just actually literally said I've played against women who are 6 ft 4, 6 ft 5 and 23 stone.

Fuck the fuck off! What bullshit. Where. Name one. Cos I'm a very tall, fit but heavy woman and there's no way I'm even near that weight. I think I'd struggle to even walk, let alone play rugby.

Am I going mad here?

Datun · 04/03/2019 10:35

Verity takes drugs to give her an advantage in sport and beats women.

McKinnon takes drugs to give them an advantage in sport and beats women.

I have never seen misogyny like it.

TimeLady · 04/03/2019 10:30

So Verity takes testosterone and plays in ladies rugby.
How is that not doping?

Exactly. How does that differ to the East German athletes back in the day?

WrathoftheWorstKlop · 04/03/2019 10:27

So Verity takes testosterone and plays in ladies rugby.
How is that not doping?

OvaHere · 04/03/2019 10:23

So their argument boils down to doping whether natural or synthetic should be viewed as a brave and stunning thing?

Quick someone call Lance Armstrong, he can make a comeback thanks to this.

charlestonchaplin · 04/03/2019 10:23

I agree with you andyoldlabour. I wrote that because I thought you were confused. I was initially confused about the transman with a female name who continues to play for a female rugby team.

charlestonchaplin · 04/03/2019 10:18

So her position would logically be that we should ignore testosterone altogether. Any level is fine and both transmen and transwomen can compete with women if they choose to do so. Double whammy.

andyoldlabour · 04/03/2019 10:15

"I think Verity is actually of the female sex."

Yes, but is taking testosterone and competing against women. Have a look at Verity.

twitter.com/veritysmith19?lang=en

MhairiV · 04/03/2019 10:14

Verity's story is sad. Sounds like she's had a tough time. Nonetheless, I can't agree with her on position re: trans women in women's sport. (Not deliberately misgendering here, I genuinely have no idea which Verity prefers)

www.rotherhamadvertiser.co.uk/sport/view,worth-fighting-for-the-sporting-story-of-transmale-rugby-player-verity-smit_29725.htm

OVAgroundWOMBlingfree · 04/03/2019 10:12

Well yes Verity had a hysterectomy, so is very much of the female sex.

charlestonchaplin · 04/03/2019 10:09

I think Verity is actually of the female sex.

charlestonchaplin · 04/03/2019 10:08

Talk about wanting to eat your cake and have it! This Verity from MESMAC is transitioning to male, has a male appearance and physique due to taking testosterone, but continues to play for Rotherham Ladies rugby, despite the obvious unhappiness of others in the sport.

andyoldlabour · 04/03/2019 10:06

Verity is a transgender rugby player, who has played against plenty of 6' 3" 23 stone women.
Glad I don't live anywhere near Verity Grin

BoreOfWhabylon · 04/03/2019 10:05

That's him! Just tracked him down on twitter and followed @sportprofbrewer

The Pro-Trans in women's sport didn't want to hear any of it, did they?

Changing over to R4 now as Penny Mordaunt is going to be on.

andyoldlabour · 04/03/2019 10:03

"Thank God you lot are watching this and updating. My blood pressure can't take it."

I may have to take another BP tablet at this rate Grin

andyoldlabour · 04/03/2019 10:01

The sports scientist smashes it out of the park.
There is no debating science - end of!

OVAgroundWOMBlingfree · 04/03/2019 10:00

Yeah the law buuuut it’s just a few chromosomes that went wrong and when the doctor slapped us on the arse they recorded our gender wrongly.

Oh ok, petal.

How, how does Nicky think this person is a “brilliant spokesperson”?

Datun · 04/03/2019 10:00

Thank God you lot are watching this and updating. My blood pressure can't take it.

MhairiV · 04/03/2019 09:59

www.stmarys.ac.uk/staff-directory/john-brewer

Is this the right guy?

BoreOfWhabylon · 04/03/2019 09:56

Yes! Sensible woman spelling out the law

andyoldlabour · 04/03/2019 09:55

"all our nanomoles are different"

WTF is that moronic Nicky Campbell talking about?

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