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James Kirkup - fantastic article in the MOS

61 replies

BoreOfWhabylon · 03/03/2019 04:01

James has laid it all out

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6765249/JAMES-KIRKUP-Britain-FINALLY-coming-senses-transgender-madness.html

"The wheels on the bus are falling off, falling off, falling off..."

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needmorespace · 03/03/2019 10:43

whereyouleftit
I couldn't agree more, separating the words leads to dropping it
I am so fucking sick of all this now, i really hope that this is the beginning of the end of this shite.
And I hope it gives women in other countries the courage to step up and push back.
I attended training a couple of weeks ago where a 'woke' bloke challenged our use of the word sex as opposed to gender. We hit back. Asked him what gender was, told him he was conflating the two in an effort to use a 'nicer' word. And he desisted. It was from a place of being 'kind', but we were fucking having none of it.

WhatFreshHellisCis · 03/03/2019 10:40

The real problem is that the left wing press is taking such a ‘woke’ position. Holding a gender critical view in a family of lefties is considered unpalatable which I think is unfair (brother who is superwoke believes TWAW etc.)
It’s a crying shame that the only real media support is from the hateful fail at this stage...

needmorespace · 03/03/2019 10:38

the only thing i wish he had mentioned was safeguarding in more depth, girl guides, advice to schools etc

WhereYouLeftIt · 03/03/2019 10:19

Just a small point - I see the article uses 'transwoman' and not 'trans woman'. That space - and the lack of it here - is significant. A trans woman is a woman who is trans - a kind of woman. Transwoman is a noun in its own right, nodding to woman in the same way that seahorse nods to horse.

Thank you James for wresting the language back to where it was originally.

hackmum · 03/03/2019 10:12

The Mail on Sunday has been very very good on this. It’s just a shame that James wasn’t able to squeeze in a reference to the Helen Islan court case, but presumably deadlines didn’t allow.

RaffertyFair · 03/03/2019 09:50

Excellent article. Basic common sense. I cant believe I'm praising an article from the Mail.

Wonderbag · 03/03/2019 09:47

It all seems so ridiculous, yet it can all be backed up and verified.

silentcrow · 03/03/2019 09:38

James I hereby crown you King of Connecting The Dots Grin

That article needs to go to so many people.

LizzieSiddal · 03/03/2019 09:30

Such a coherent summary of what’s been going on over the past few years, it’s made me a little teary because a year ago this article would have been unthinkable.

I’d like to say thank you to those who have stood up to the bullying tactics by the TRAs. Especially those on this forum, who’ve educated, debated and organised.Star

GerryblewuptheER · 03/03/2019 09:29

Excellent article

truthisarevolutionaryact · 03/03/2019 09:13

Excellent, clear and comprehensive article. This is such a challenging subject to summarise clearly yet James has managed this.

Flowers for James and all the other journalists shedding light on this murky agenda.

OvaHere · 03/03/2019 09:06

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OvaHere · 03/03/2019 09:03

Wow that is such a good clear article tying so much together. It might be the best i've read.

Not behind a paywall either. Brilliant!

Well done James, you certainly know you're stuff.

Shiklah · 03/03/2019 09:00

The mail has 4 stories today. I think they are going for a an anti duchess of Cambridge vibe as they are also saying her child will be ‘gender fluid’ and blocking the articles together on line.

Needmoresleep · 03/03/2019 08:46

Yes, they for whatever reason, including some effective lobbing, decided to out gun Labour in terms of wokeness. They got homosexuality wrong and weren’t prepared to get it wrong a second time.

Trouble is, they did not stop to think about whether and how sex and gender identity differ. They are out of step with their voters, as the Mail is pointing out, so can go into reverse. Labour and the LibDems will have less incentive and will find it harder.

Lumene · 03/03/2019 08:40

True Cole. They did start it. They are also the only ones looking capable of ending it right now.

ColeHawlins · 03/03/2019 08:37

I think the Tories are the only major party who are capable of putting a stop to this.

They started it!

Remember "purported feminists"?

WeRiseUp · 03/03/2019 08:35

Thanks James

Needmoresleep · 03/03/2019 08:26

Wherever people stand politically, I think the Tories are the only major party who are capable of putting a stop to this. Though I am sure that politicians like John McDonnell have not drunk the KoolAid, too many of his colleagues have, and the LibDems, sadly, are beyond the pale.

Tory politicians listen to the Mail: many of their their voters read it.

A series of authorative articles from them - two in a weekend, the Tavi one and this, are very good news indeed. As is the news that Penny Maudant is having doubts.

They are lining up for a Tory leadership election, and this, with Kirkups useful list of the damage caused, will be a major issue.

alwaysreadthelabel · 03/03/2019 08:14

I hate the daily mail normally but I saw this article after a friend linked to it and all I can say is bravo!

calpop · 03/03/2019 08:11

god my finger is itching to share that on my Facebook and personal twitter account.

BlueisthenewGrey · 03/03/2019 08:04

Thank you James. This is the perfect article to share with family and friends as it's so straightforward.

hackmum · 03/03/2019 08:02

So grateful to James - one of the few journalists who gets it.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 03/03/2019 07:58

that is a great article. interesting point at the end about sex and relationships education. the fight is certainly not over

Macareaux · 03/03/2019 07:54

Even though Sonia did not get on the show it is another marker being put down to make the BBC shift back to a more reasonable position. They might have more than their share of trans workforce but there will still be plenty there who think it's all batshittery.