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Sharron Davies

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EugeneWrayburn · 02/03/2019 20:28

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/swimming/47428951

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HawkeyeInConfusion · 03/03/2019 13:00

This is in the Sunday Express today.

Do not judge. It got delivered to my house by accident. I have no idea who it belongs to.

Sharron Davies
OvaHere · 03/03/2019 09:45

I suspect having a biracial relationship and children probably is seen as colonialist by the far left. From what I've gathered they seem very into the idea of race separation as progressive ideal.

It's the natural conclusion of every type of person needing 'safe spaces' (except bio women of course - the inability to recognise that one is what makes it laughable).

It's big as a concept in the US but I'm sure it's working it's way over here.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 03/03/2019 09:28

Racist? Sharon was married to Derek Redmond and has two mixed race children.

A transwomen was taken to court for transphobia, do you think having mixed race children is going to be proof of not being racist?

EweSurname · 03/03/2019 09:28

Claims of racism arise from the assertion that colonialism forced people to adopt a binary of male and female. Because us brown people had no idea about men and women before we were taught by our wise and civilised white educators.

I think it’s based on two spirit people, Hijras etc but doesn’t really address the fact that sex is still binary regardless of cultural roles, even for those before colonisation.

As for white supremacy, I don’t really understand but here is Emily gorcenski explaining

mobile.twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1088180524504571908

If anyone can parse it and translate, I’d be intrigued to finally learn the connection between believing that humans are dimorphic in sex and believing that white people are superior to all other races and should benefit from other people’s oppression.

Needmoresleep · 03/03/2019 09:20

Racist? Sharon was married to Derek Redmond and has two mixed race children.

She also won an Olympic silver behind an East German who has since admitted taking performance enhancing drugs. More likely the real reason why she is willing to speak out clearly against what she sees as unfairness.

IDoN0tCare · 03/03/2019 09:12

Can someone explain wtf this means? How is Sharron's tweet white supremacist? This is so confusing to me. I don't get it.

Because comparing trans rights to the homophobia no longer works. TRAs and their handmaidens are being called out on that comparison, so they’re going to imply that they are racist. I don’t know how the fuck they’re working that one out. Is Daley Thompson using white privilege, when he says that male born people shouldn’t be permitted to compete against females?

zanahoria · 03/03/2019 08:50

I am glad the BBC has ran the story but why aren't they mentioning she has support from Paula Radcliffe and Kelly Holmes? These are huge names in Olymoic sport, its simply poor journalism to leave them out and leaves Sharron isolated as a target. Its fairly obvious that was done deliberately.

Mner2019 · 03/03/2019 08:42

Well done to Sharron for speaking out. The abuse must be horrible but it’s just too important.

bellinisurge · 03/03/2019 08:40

I don't get why eg Paralympic Sport has several categories for one event so why can't trans athletes participate in a special category within Paralympics. No one would deny that e.g Ellie Simmonds is a superwoman. Who competes in the Paralympics.

AuntVanya · 03/03/2019 08:36

Agree with Sharron Davies- wanting fairness in sport does not make anyone transphobic. I admire her for speaking out, because she will have known in advance that putting her head above the parapet will lead to some serious abuse. I just wish other high profile athletes would go public with their views- but I can see it's impossible to speak out without fear of vilification, and current elite athletes can't risk it. Perhaps this is the time for all the retired athletes to speak out for the current competitors.
I heardSharron on Jeremy Vine and she handled it well. I actually like how JV allowed the other guy to speak because he was obviously ridiculous and the more he spoke, the more he strengthened my opposition to him.

RedToothBrush · 03/03/2019 08:24

Just make sure everyone keeps in perspective that transgender athletes in sport was THE thing that burst the bubble on that attitudes survey and only a small minority of people supported them competing without questions being raised.

It was startling to see how people who were pro-trans on other issues must not have been for sport as the percentages were much lower in terms of support than for other issues.

The idea that this is far right ideology just does not fit with that unless you are calling over 80% of the population far right.

But then reality isn't the militants strong point is it. Cheating the system is.

CherryPavlova · 03/03/2019 08:09

It’s very sad when the obvious becomes news. It’s very sad when pointing out the obvious is interpreted as hateful or phobic.

I’m sure most reasonable people don’t mind men dressing up as women. I’m sure most people don’t want to bully or hate someone who feels so uncomfortable with themselves they are prepared to take drugs or have major surgery. Few people would think it acceptable that anyone was assaulted because of their appearance.

That doesn’t make them women though, does it? It doesn’t give them female physiology. It’s just pretending. A bit like the emporers new clothes.

MrsJamin · 03/03/2019 08:04

It really feels like the tide is turning. When I see a friend of mine sharing this then I will really know that it is reaching the mainstream.

AuntieCJ · 03/03/2019 08:01

Thanks, Sharron. Natal women shouldn't have to play nice.

bellinisurge · 03/03/2019 07:58

Hurray for Sharon.

placemats · 03/03/2019 07:54

Well done Sharron Davies.

Telling the truth sometimes hurts. RM needs to get over it!

MsTSwift · 03/03/2019 07:49

I find it frightening that an obvious to anyone fact (men are stronger faster than women generally”) is dubbed a “dangerous myth”. It’s gaslighting and it’s terrifying.

Sharron is speaking the simple truth which the majority surely agree with.

EweSurname · 03/03/2019 07:37

I don’t have a share token

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sharron-davies-trans-threat-to-women-sport-g6tcwtptt

BubblegumFactory · 02/03/2019 23:23

That’s him, Ellis Cashmore. I was very disappointed that he was given such free reign to peddle utter bullocks.
Then I remembered it was BBC and Jeremy Vine, radio version of the Daily Fail.
I just now wish that all the sportswomen friends SD refers to find the strength to join her and make their voice heard.

youllhavehadyourtea · 02/03/2019 23:18

haha! oops Cashman
can be difficult to tell misogynists apart.

youllhavehadyourtea · 02/03/2019 23:16

any relation to Michael Cashmore?
he doesn't like women either.

JamesBlonde1 · 02/03/2019 23:15

Ellis Cashmore doesn’t like women. No respect for their efforts at all.

That study must have been carried out in East Germany...40 years ago.....Hmm

JamesBlonde1 · 02/03/2019 23:12

Quite right Girlof. The thousands of men need to voice their support. I very much suspect they sympathise with women in sport.

I know all the men I speak to, including my DH, think men being allowed to compete and annihilate these poor talented women is disgraceful.

It’s like living in a parallel universe. Who are the loons in power, on the board of decision makers, allowing this to happen?

NotBadConsidering · 02/03/2019 23:12

It was Ellis Cashmore, an actual professor, of sociology at Aston Univeristy who said he “knew of” research that if you had a man and a woman of equal stature and then trained them the same then there would be no difference. Just such unadulterated bullshit it was amazing he didn’t choke on it as the words came out. Sharron did well.