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Sharron Davies

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EugeneWrayburn · 02/03/2019 20:28

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/swimming/47428951

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FloralBuntingIsObnoxious · 03/03/2019 20:16

I do the 'I'm sorry, but...'

I do it because I'm painfully English, though, not because I'm socialized female, though. I often say "I'm sorry, but I'm not going to apologize." and then realize what I've said. It's like apologizing when someone steps on my feet. Or saying 'cobblers!' or 'blimey!'

placemats · 03/03/2019 19:36

I sat English Language O Level, that's how old I am. We were NEVER allowed to begin a sentence with 'I'm', 'sorry', or 'but'. It was drilled into us and yet I still, as a female, do it.

The socialisation is insidious.

Lumene · 03/03/2019 19:35

It is ridiculous that totally reasonable points in what should be an open discussion are represented as violent hate speech.

WizbetisaNizbet · 03/03/2019 19:32

Yes, I heard the news bulletin were it said Martina had apologised. It was a real WTF because it twisted Martina’s words.

The BBC are a disgrace.

Sharron, If you ever read this you are a shero!

RockyFlintstone · 03/03/2019 19:32

Gwan Sharron!

OvaHere · 03/03/2019 19:30

Unfortunately all these sports celebrities who are just realising this is happenening will still be at the stage of assuming they are dealing with sane and rational people. They are in for a big shock I think.

SardineQueenII · 03/03/2019 19:30

That;s a good example sharron has got there.

Note female socialisation "I'm sorry but"

How many of our shouty TW friends who post on sport start their posts with "I'm sorry"???

dementedma · 03/03/2019 19:29

Well said Sharron Davies.

Datun · 03/03/2019 19:28

She might get piled on, but the situation speaks for itself. She will realise, as will everyone else, how ludicrous it is.

placemats · 03/03/2019 19:27

We believe you Hawkeye

thousands wouldn't

Macareaux · 03/03/2019 19:23

Sharron has just tweeted this. She will get dragged for the pronouns and inverted commas. She will realise that anything other than full capitulation to trans ideology will never be enough.

Sharron Davies
JaneEyre07 · 03/03/2019 18:00

I met her when I was at school, she came to support a swimming event and gave a fascinating talk about the reality of being a professional athlete. She was also endlessly patient at having photographs taken and questions asked of her.

To work for years perfecting your sport and then have a man come along in a dress beside you shouting "but I'm a woman too" is an absolute joke. Give transgender people their own class in sport - and stop the issue.

MrsSnippyPants · 03/03/2019 17:57

Sharron has just been on our local BBC news (Spotlight, I’m in the south west). Only a brief appearance but stating her case very clearly.

SardineQueenII · 03/03/2019 17:55

Wow fuck I only read BBC report they are totally misrepresenting what she said

Fucking unbelievable

Fuck the BBC

EweSurname · 03/03/2019 17:21

She seems to be able to deal with the overblown hyperbole quite well

Sharron Davies
ErrolTheDragon · 03/03/2019 16:38

That bbc piece is a very biased account of what she actually wrote. Hmm

RedToothBrush · 03/03/2019 15:49

"I know that my use of the word ‘cheat’ caused particular offence among the transgender community. I’m sorry for that because I certainly was not suggesting that transgender athletes in general are cheats. I attached the label to a notional case in which someone cynically changes gender, perhaps temporarily, to gain a competitive advantage."

"We should not be blind to the possibility and some of these rules are making that possible and legal. The context may be different, but the case of Lance Armstrong, and the harm he did to his sport, is surely instructive."

In other words, its still cheating, its just they've made it legal to cheat. But worded nicely and politely.

andyoldlabour · 03/03/2019 13:29

SardineQueenII

"Martina has been forced to apologise for the term cheating"

The BBC have been economical with their reporting - as usual.

"I know that my use of the word ‘cheat’ caused particular offence among the transgender community. I’m sorry for that because I certainly was not suggesting that transgender athletes in general are cheats. I attached the label to a notional case in which someone cynically changes gender, perhaps temporarily, to gain a competitive advantage."
"We should not be blind to the possibility and some of these rules are making that possible and legal. The context may be different, but the case of Lance Armstrong, and the harm he did to his sport, is surely instructive."

www.martinanavratilova.com/

SardineQueenII · 03/03/2019 13:23

note RM describes sharron as ex british swimmer

Sharron probably still swims?

They mean previous olympic swimming medallist I think, something like that

But can't bring themselves to say it

SardineQueenII · 03/03/2019 13:21

Are our friends having a massive go at Daley Thompson and calling him a white supremacist, bigot, who wants people to die etc etc?

The men who talk about this seem to get WAAYYY less flack.

There's a reason for that.

SardineQueenII · 03/03/2019 13:20

Martina has been forced to apologise for the term cheating

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/47433144

SardineQueenII · 03/03/2019 13:19

"As for white supremacy, I don’t really understand but here is Emily gorcenski explaining "

That's not an explanation of anything.

Most of the comments are telling Emily off Grin

HawkeyeInConfusion · 03/03/2019 13:16

Calvin and Hobbes you say?

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 03/03/2019 13:14

Express is worth reading because of the Calvin and Hobbes comic.

MillytantForceit · 03/03/2019 13:11

Should be noted that the campaign to get Sharron Davies the gold medal she rightfully won in Moscow but which was stolen by a drug-cheat has always been hampered by Davies herself who refuses to endorse it.

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