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Powerful article in the Mail about the Tavistock 'rushing children'

37 replies

truthisarevolutionaryact · 01/03/2019 23:45

Here:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6762379/Former-governor-says-fears-hurrying-children-transgender-path.html

OP posts:
borntobequiet · 02/03/2019 07:52

Liddle’s an entertaining and powerful writer, if a git much of the time. However, describing psychoanalysis as a pseudoscience undermines his case somewhat (I agree with him but many don’t).

Iused2BanOptimist · 02/03/2019 07:39

It is good to see a well written clear explanation of the problems being raised at last. However the cynic in me notes that he mentions concerns being raised ten years ago. He also mentioned this on his radio 4 interview. I wonder what he was thinking over the past ten years and why it is only now that he has decided to resign and cite his worry about the treatment pathways.

The cynic in might wonder about rats jumping a leaving ship and getting out before the finger pointing and accusations start getting nasty.

hackmum · 02/03/2019 07:22

Excellent and rather measured piece by Marcus Evans - perhaps too measured. Someone needs to be talking about the reality of surgery and lifelong hormones.

Terrific piece from Rod Liddle. Who’d have thought he had it in him?

TurboTeddy · 02/03/2019 05:23

Cross sex hormones in second para, autocorrect grrr.

TurboTeddy · 02/03/2019 05:22

That is an excellent article. It's a shame that the writer felt they had to resign from their job before they could fully air their concerns. Marcus seems like just the kind of person GIDS needs.

I wonder if it has occurred to trans pressure groups that medical and/or surgical intervention for a group of people who have not been adequately assessed is likely to lead to larger numbers of patients in that group reporting poor outcomes. The NHS will only fund treatment that can be demonstrated to improve health and well being. In years to come we might find that audit of the current treatment protocols provides data which suggests puberty blockers, cross section hormones and surgery result in worse outcomes than no medical (as oppose to mental health) intervention at all. These treatment options may then be withdrawn altogether. This would be a travesty as there are undoubtedly some patients who do benefit and in the absence of other options I think it should remain available to those with severe gender dysphoria but ONLY when a thorough assessment has been carried out.

There is also the issue of prescribing of medication that has not been tested in this cohort of patients. I know that clinicians can prescribe off label but to do so in children with the intention of altering their physical development speaks to me of incredible arrogance and complete lack of concern for the patients future health. I guess the patients are referred to adult services when they turn 18 so this clinic will never have to deal with the fall out.

In an ideal world it would be good to see research into alternative treatments that focussed less on altering the body but until the trans lobby stops labelling it as conversion therapy it is unlikely to happen.

Mrskeats · 02/03/2019 01:33

Frankenstein’s castle. Wow. Chilling and apt.

thewitchofwentworth · 02/03/2019 01:25

I'm pretty sure all the trans lobby groups are doing the pressuring, along with the majority of the LGBT lobby groups.

Datun · 02/03/2019 01:04

He keeps mentioning trans lobby groups and pressure groups. I wish he would name them. Make them account for themselves.

OrchidInTheSun · 02/03/2019 01:03

Wow, that's very comprehensive and absolutely damning.

Needmoresleep · 02/03/2019 00:18

Fantastic. Clear, professional and thought through. Am I right in thinking he left his job over this, so absolutely deserves to say his piece.

BettyFloop · 02/03/2019 00:14

Politically, I loathe the Daily Mail but, hell's teeth, they're doing sterling work with this.
That was an excellent article by Marcus Evans and I'm so pleased a major outlet has the guts to publish it.

These are strange times indeed.

Iused2BanOptimist · 02/03/2019 00:00

Rod Liddell seamlessly moves from women's sport to

"Frankenstein’s castle, i.e. the Tavistock clinic’s gender identity development service"

spectator.us/womens-sports-consist-men/