Michael Cashman

Michael Cashman thinks this is just like the battle for gay rights in the 80s.

It's not.

At no time in the 1980s did gay men ask to have access to women's spaces - hard-won by feminists and protected in law. And a no time did the gay rights movement promote the medicalisation/surgery to change children's/young people's bodies or suggest children might be born in "the wrong body" according to sex roles last seen in the 1950s.

Jonny's already asked him - he just doubled down. Jonny drew his attention to the Stonewall submission about the Equality Act.

Maybe now he could explain why?

We won't find out until a man asks him.

Jonny?

I'm glad that Cashman is so clear about all this.

Maybe now he could explain why?

I find it astonishing that someone who fought for their own rights and protections would be so blasé about giving someone else's away. I guess the mindset is that only men's rights are important and necessary.

It's almost like you can never tell which man is going to be twat until they come out and do and say things which are misogynist, so it's wise to approach the whole group with caution in specific circumstances.

I think that's a pretty good argument for safeguarding. Someone should definitely think about making it...

Yes, Simon Fanshawe is far more measured and seems to get it.

Jonny Best is fab.

Gay men are just like straight men - some of them get it, some don't care, some are actual misogynists, and actively embrace transactivism.

But Transactivism allows them to give full reign to their hatred AND be woke

Just noticed my mistake, it should be “full rein”

Looks like he's just a straightforward misogynistic gay man to me. I've met a few in my 63yrs. Simon Fanshawe, otoh, gets it. He's not a misogynist. Jonny Best is not a misogynist, he gets it. Nothing to do with whether they are gay or straight, just about how they view women. Some men see women as equal human beings, some don't. Who they want to have sex with doesn't always correlate with their views on women.

He's like so many people - he hasn't really thought it through. Twit.

Thanks for linking to that site, clitherow, I hadn't come across that one before. Now bookmarked.

What is going on with these men? They've no horse in the race so to speak, but they arrogantly presume to dictate to women how we should think and feel about this situation.

I think they most definitely do have a horse in the race. Lots of women have been writing about what peaktransed them on the thread started by @glinner. I was peaked a few years ago by a website called bits of books.
bitsofbooksblog.wordpress.com/

This website is a work of sheer genius and dogged resilience by a woman who, I think, works in the legal profession. She has uncovered and gathered together documented evidence (in minutes of meetings, biographies and autobiographies and the press) of the deep corruption and paedophilia that has been at the heart of the British Establishment for decades - this includes all levels of government, police, the secret services, the state church, the royal family and the media. She highlights how the paedophile movement tried to infiltrate the gay rights movement and how organisations like the NCCL and women like Harriet Harman and Patricia Hewitt proffered support to the paedophile information exchange. But there is much more than this on that site. It shows how men, and the women who collaborate with them, have been trying to remove all constraints on sexuality so that society would put no limits on their own desires. So no barriers would exist to desires that include violence, degradation and particularly the destruction of the innocence of children.

I spent every spare moment one summer reading through this labyrinthine site and I bought obscure books that she referenced and I ended up in a state of shock. This is why when I came across the WomensPlace meetings online I had an idea what I was looking at.

I remember seeing a grainy photograph of an early gay rights march where someone (presumably from PIE) was holding up a banner that declared 'We are coming for your children'. It made my blood run cold - well here they are.

I have never been in contact with the woman who compiled this website but she has had a massive impact on how I view my own country and life generally - she made the scales fall from my eyes.

She has drawn a very vivid picture of the diverse groups of people who openly or in the shadows very much have a horse in this race.

MBE = My Big 'ead
OBE = Old Big 'ead
CBE - Call me Big 'ead

Too right!!

He's blinded by the T - refuses to see any impact on women - even when the evidence from the Stonewall submission is in front of his eyes.

He wants to give something away that isn't his to give away - women's rights under the Equality Act.

And I think he's lost his marbles.

MBE = My Big 'ead
OBE = Old Big 'ead
CBE - Call me Big 'ead

Arrogant misogynist.
And extra points for having CBE in his Twitter handle

TRA is a gift for some men.

But Transactivism allows them to give full reign to their hatred AND be woke.

TRS a gift.

Its like those police reality tv shows where they stop someone driving a car and the person they have video footage of driving, in the drivers seat, keys in hand, swears loudly and endlessly that they weren't driving, they weren't even in the car.

Could be challenged to the point of not being able to realise that just repeatedly denying proven reality wont work and makes their situation worse, or a belief that repeating the lie long enough will make people stop challenging their behaviour and trying to make them take responsibility for it, or inability to cope with being caught out/ego too fragile to handle being wrong. Or orthodoxy above facts/ part of a dysfunctional relationship where to come off the agreed version of what is happening brings down the whole group. So stupidly and publicly denying reality is better than the whole group they're part of imploding.

Psychologist and good quality care needed to figure that one out. It's worrying how many of these figurehead people are showing themselves as not very well.

utter inability to deal with and take responsibility for the consequences of their actions,

Liar, liar, pants on fire

I don't think gay men are necessarily worse misogynists then straight. They just don't need to pretend because they don't want penis in vagina sex.

Nothing's gone wrong.

He's the same as he always was: a misogynistic man.

What’s going on with these men is that they are misogynists. Because they are in public life they have to suppress their misogyny to some extent.

But Transactivism allows them to give full reign to their hatred AND be woke.

Socialisation?

He may have spent many of his adult years in a restricted Labour lovvie echo chamber, perhaps without many interactions with ordinary just about managing people, especially women. And his perspective has gone a bit wonky.