Boy, 12, raped six-year-old sister ‘to recreate Grand Theft Auto scene’, court told

I also agree with you googly
While I realise that pure and computer games needs to be discussed- it amazes me (though i should be used to it) that the repeated raoe of a 6 yr old girl in her home by a young person who will have his record cleared is but the central discussion.
The discussion about why he did it should come after those in charge answer to why the fuck this girl hasn’t got justice and why they are minimising the crimes against her.

How do you find out if a man is a rapist, MamaDane ?

This case and the mother words deeply disturb me.

I know the girl is not currently living with her brother but it seems the mother wants him to return home.

I hope social services do not allow this to happen. Deeper issues are here than him just watching porn, this is just an excuse.

Many boys his age watch porn but do not decide to use their little sisters as an sexual object.

It seems he has received no punishment and will have no criminal record as an adult. Who knows what the future will hold, will he attack again? Maybe.

I just feel sorry for that little girl especially if her brother comes back to live with her.

@MamaDane what proof do you need? As I said, don't assume every man is a rapist but understand that any man is capable of that and you can't dismiss a victim because there is no 'indication'

This is a truly horrific case and young children have been given unsupervised access to sexually violent material which lead to this outcome. In Australia a teenage girl now has a colostomy bag for the rest of her life because she tried to recreate a porn scene, there are so many of these stories and you are saying porn and games like gta aren't a problem because your brother never raped anyone so it's all fine.

In what other situation would a victim of rape be forced to continue living with their abuser??! That poor little girl.

so eventually he'll come home and eve4yrthing will be hunky dory will it

the mother is in denial that poor little girl will be traumatised

I’ve played a few of the GTA games, in one of them you can pick up a prostitute, drive to a quiet part of the map. Pay for sexual acts and afterward run her over or beat her to death and get your money back. That was part of the actual game, and not a mod.

This is so disturbing. Putting the whole game issue to one side I think the parents are unfit. Can't believe their daughter has been left in their care, although I guess it might have reinforced the little girls sense of guilt if she was to be removed from the home.

The mother is deluded about the impact of this on her daughter, and I think she is doing a great deal of harm on top of the trauma of rape with her 'little mary sunshine' declarations. As if being repeatedly raped is something a little girl can get over, esp when done in the home, by her brother. Clearly they want to welcome him home with open arms and to hell with the consequences for their little girl.

The games/porn culture is an issue, as it helps normalise terrible behaviour, but it doesn't cause it, but I think it encourages it in those who are prone.

@codenameduchess Of course it's fair to assume a man isn't a rapist if there's no indication of it! I can't walk around and think of every single man as a potential rapist. That is paranoid and not at all healthy.

I could also assume that say mammoon or waterrat is a rapist, but there's obviously no indication of it, and I don't know these women so why would I assume the worst of people?

I also don't assume that my mum is a murderer.

This whole debate begs the question as to why in God's name there needs to be video games developed that lets someone be sexually violent?

Because porn mostly.

There are games like this, these aren't the big triple A titles like GTA though - these may have sex scenes but I can't think of any which are violent, you get more violence in 18 rated movies.

It's often dodgy little independently published ones, sites like Steam used to not allow them but I suspect they came under pressure by incel types.

Well - I had never heard of GTA sex scenes so I googled them - immediately - top Google slot - youtube - GTA sex scenes, I clicked and watched a graphic sex scene.

Person Googles “GTA sex scenes” and finds GTA sex scenes - shocker.

The point missed was that you’d have to know these existed, if you simply play the game it isn’t a part of the game, unless someone has modified it.

If a child is googling “GTA sex scenes” there are bigger problems with that child than just playing video games.

There’s all sorts of stuff “out there” but the vast majority of children would never come across it unless they specifically looked for it.

It is clearly not appropriate for a 12 year old to be playing GTA or watching porn.

However, there is a big leap between that statement and saying that the porn/GTA were the cause of his rape of his sister.

If you listen to the language coming out of the family, it's horrific - THEY are the ones minimising what he did. I am willing to lay a bet that there is an extremely dysfunctional culture in that home. Just look at the state of this: 'He's doing really well and I want to make sure we can all be a family again at some point. My daughter used to be very sad about it all because she worried this was her fault, but she's come on leaps and bounds, she's a very strong girl and there's not an ounce of sadness in her now, I'm so proud of her.'

If you want a catalogue of denial, minimisation, and victim blaming - this is it. A six year old who is 'over' her abuse by her sibling in a matter of months? Pull the other one. And why on earth would a 6 year old be left thinking this was her fault for ANY length of time?
This family are clearly not suitable parents.

It really irritates me how they are blaming the video game for his behaviour, I played the same game without having sex in the game. Why on earth are his parents allowing a 12 year old to play GTA, but to also allow unrestricted access to the internet where he can watch porn.
I hope his sister is okay and she also gets the help she needs.

This whole debate begs the question as to why in God's name there needs to be video games developed that lets someone be sexually violent? Why would anyone want to be?

@GerryblewuptheER I agree, but in this case the perp is a 12 year old boy. I think there is a bigger issue at play in this case and that he needs help rather than simply a custodial sentence. Yes at 12 he should have known raping his sister was wrong but there surely has to be something behind the scenes that made him think he could do that. There is no excuse though and the little girl is the most important person in this who deserves all of the help and protection.

Absolutely hold perpetrators accountable but we need to address it as a society and as parents too. I won't allow my child access to age inappropriate content/games and we have already had age appropriate conversations about consent, appropriate behaviours and general safety but I know other parents of similar aged children haven't.

Well - I had never heard of GTA sex scenes so I googled them - immediately - top Google slot - youtube - GTA sex scenes

I also googled, one of the first things that came up was a scene between two characters that is absolutely not in the original game, so was clearly a mod.

In the same way you can get graphic mods for even kids games like the Sims. You have to go looking for them deliberately though. So that's not down to the game developers.

Can't believe people are minimising this shit - it was mentioned in the headline because it clearly came up in the court evidence. Porn + hideously realistic scenes in a violent and sex filled video game

No ones minimising anything.

But rape and murder of women has gone on since the dawn of time. It Carrys on to this day everywhere from developed countries where kids are glued to phones 24/7 to the middle of sodding no where where no ones even heard of Nokia or xbox.

I dont believe it's the sole cause. And I think its damaging to blame it. Because when kids walk past the news papers and see that someone got off with 3 months probation because the judge blamed a video game instead then where is the deterrent ?

It's comforting to blame the video game, because it staves of the unpleasant truth that there is something deeply, deeply wrong at the heart of this family.

Exactly. There have been many, many studies on the assumed link between video games and violence. It's very easy and convenient to blame boys' actions on the media they consume. Unfortunately its also empirically false.

Boy repeatedly rapes 6 year old sister, after coming from a home where he's allowed unsupervised access to pornographic content while a 6 year old child is in the room too

Boy 2 years older than James Bulgers killers

Boy gets a ton of sympathy

At 12 you are old enough to know- raping your 6 year old sister is VERY bad. It's not mere experimentation after playing a game!

Tbh I think the parents should be charged.

Well - I had never heard of GTA sex scenes so I googled them - immediately - top Google slot - youtube - GTA sex scenes, I clicked and watched a graphic sex scene.

wow - parents are naive if they think this stuff isn't out there, readily available and damaging our kids.

Can't believe people are minimising this shit - it was mentioned in the headline because it clearly came up in the court evidence. Porn + hideously realistic scenes in a violent and sex filled video game.

Actually stunned by how easy that was to find !

And I’m sorry, it’ll be wiped from his record if he completes the rehab programme and he’s on the SOA for 2.5 years?! Wtf?

I know he’s 13 and he’s got his life ahead of him and hopefully he will become rehabilitated but why does that have to equate to complete official erasure of what he’s done?

@MamaDane That's a pretty silly question, don't you think? I think it's fair to assume a man isn't a rapist unless he's convicted of rape or if there has any other indication to indicate he's a rapist. 

No, and that attitude is why victims don't come forward or aren't believed. I'm not saying your brother is a rapist, but many have gotten away with these crimes because there 'was no indication' and the victims weren't believed.

My rapist was never prosecuted because he was a 'nice guy' and no one believed he could do that. As far as I know he still hasn't shown any indication he's capable of rape but it doesn't mean he didn't do it or hasn't done it again.

And porn is a problem. It's become so extreme people are don't irreparable damage trying to recreate it.

It's comforting to blame the video game, because it staves of the unpleasant truth that there is something deeply, deeply wrong at the heart of this family. As others have said, the mother's view of the rape minimises what her daughter has been through - I can't imagine it is going to be easy for that young girl to recover in that context. So many alarm bells ringing - why have the children not been taken into care?

There are age restrictions on games, dvds etc for a reason!!!

Exactly! So many parents seem to be so lax around age restrictions on games in particular.

My son is nearly 13 and there’s no way on gods green earth he gets to play 18 games.

It just makes you despair, doesn't it?