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"Student who lost track championship to transgender athletes speaks out"

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QuietContraryMary · 27/02/2019 14:43

There's an interview by Laura Ingraham here with Selina Soule who lost to two biologically male athletes in the Connecticut State Championship.

video.foxnews.com/v/6007625250001/

Laura went to the same school as Selina and cuts her off when she starts saying 'it's great that they are being true to themselves', and basically says 'this is just cheating'. She doesn't have a lot of time for Selina's attempt to be nice.

This is a different athlete in a different arena but the same thing.

www.outsports.com/2019/2/26/18241404/donald-trump-junior-trans-athletes-success-injustice

(note I previously linked to this same latter story, however MN did not like the source and has deleted the thread, so I have provided this ultra-woke LGBT source.

Their argument amounts to 'the transgender athlete only won SOME of the events, not everything, there was still room for other women to win in those events' )

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Moralitym1n1 · 11/03/2019 07:43

*I get that Transwomen want to BE women. I get that they think they ARE women. But they are not. Not until they can change their fundamental biology, which hormones don't do.

Since when does a minority, who are significantly phyisically stronger, get to trample all over the rights of 50% of the population? Or maybe I've just answered my own question.*

This.

OccasionalKite · 11/03/2019 01:12

Basically, if you fail as a male athlete, then you can always go for the transwoman lie and use your male physique to beat women.

Yeah. Slow hand-clap to those mediocre men.

PeeGreen · 11/03/2019 00:37

OutSports have a I-can't-believe-it's-not-a-spoof article here

www.outsports.com/2019/3/10/18257930/cece-telfer-trans-woman-athlete-doesnt-win

Their article is 'Cece Telfer didn't win, so that means everything is fair'.

It's kind of a bad argument, when Telfer actually ran the second-fastest time overall (preliminaries, and finals), just didn't perform well in the final.

SlipperyLizard · 04/03/2019 07:58

I’ve seen a lot of TRAs on Twitter focus on “why haven’t any transwomen won an Olympic model” - clearly it is designed to distract from the destruction of women’s sports at grass roots level, leading (if it isn’t stopped) to Olympic success in the future. But by then (they hope) it will be too late to change the rules as their TWAW mantra will have sunk in everywhere.

That’s why Martina et al are so powerful - they bring too much attention before all the damage has been done!

SignMeUp · 04/03/2019 06:30

turtleboysports.com/the-connecticut-boys-dominated-the-new-england-high-school-track-championships-and-if-you-voted-yes-on-question-3-then-you-are-responsible-for-this/?fbclid=IwAR3wSUATvDYSzJuyaLO7CI5KOBM0hhynt4lIqf1PA_S6V3A93qLnaH9InlA

And this weekend at the New England High School Track Championships. Yes, this website is awful, but this article has a lot of info.

andyoldlabour · 01/03/2019 09:21

pallisers

"I haven't seen any coverage of the CT or recent NCAA trans wins. none at all - and I read the Boston Globe, the NYT and listen to NPR every day. The NCAA meet happened in my hometown - absolutely no coverage."

This was in the Washington Times in 2017

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/7/andraya-yearwood-transgender-athlete-stars-on-fema/

ABC News 2018

abcnews.go.com/GMA/News/video/transgender-track-stars-speak-critics-allege-unfair-advantage-56084731

UK Daily Mail 2018

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5836021/Students-parents-demand-rule-change-trans-teen-wins-girls-state-championship.html

I assume that the "woke" "right on" media will not publish anything about this, because they know what the public response will be.

TowelNumber42 · 01/03/2019 07:43

Given this happened in the US, I am astonished that a group of college-denied girls are not suing the fuck out of the athletics groups for permitting this.

pallisers · 28/02/2019 20:29

It's unspeakably sad that the only people in the US willing to stand up to wokey blokey bullies are rightwingers.

I agree (I am in the US). And they are coming at the issue from an entirely different point of view than women who are concerned about the erosion of identity and rights. It is really concerning.

I haven't seen any coverage of the CT or recent NCAA trans wins. none at all - and I read the Boston Globe, the NYT and listen to NPR every day. The NCAA meet happened in my hometown - absolutely no coverage. At the same time, the in-your-face terf-accusing trans lobby also seems comparitively silent here.

quixote9 · 28/02/2019 20:09

I'm not sure how many people are familiar with US media on this thread but it's maybe worth pointing out that Ingraham is generally a Grade A bigot.

It's unspeakably sad that the only people in the US willing to stand up to wokey blokey bullies are rightwingers.

Their agenda is, of course, to keep women firmly in the barefoot-pregnant-and-behind-the-plow box, so any variation on patriarchy's stereotypes is a crisis.

There's a bit of a controversy going on right now as to whether it works to use that to at least get feminist viewpoints aired.

Given that they would destroy feminism if they could, I'm really not sure it's a good idea to use them. But given that the alternative seems to be total silencing, I'm not sure it isn't.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 28/02/2019 00:57

An NCAA sprinter is breaking women's records—after competing as a man last season

www.theblaze.com/news/an-ncaa-sprinter-is-breaking-womens-records-after-competing-as-a-man-last-season

Thingybob · 28/02/2019 00:40

and the words from the trans athletes made no sense at all

I think that was due to the interviewer's strange question, 'What would you say if the tables were turned?' In other words what do the trans athletes expect the female athletes to be saying to them.

'I'm not going to discourage you or say 'oh it's not fair' And it would just push me to run faster.'

'I'd be happy for them cos they get to do what they want. They're happy so that in turn should make me happy.'

So there you go Selina, it should encourage you to run faster and seeing the trans women happy should make you happy.

BickerinBrattle · 28/02/2019 00:31

all I can say is, if I were a girl's or women's coach in the US, and I wanted to win a state championship, I'd sure be paying calls on parents who need scholarship money for sons who are mediocre athletes.

I don't see, however, how the Connecticut track tream is not in violation of Title IX. Under that law, the exact same dollar amount has to be spent on female athletes as on male athletes, and the law reads "sex" not "gender identity." Any monies spent on Miller's and Yearwood's coaching and participation creates an illegal imbalance between male and female spending if those dollar amounts are counted as being spent on girls' sports.

Federal law preempts state law. I hope parents are seeking legal consultation for filing a Title IX lawsuit against the school.

Supergrassyknoll · 28/02/2019 00:18

...this issue boils my piss, it's absurd, trans women are not women and to compete against each other in sport is so unfair it's ludicrous. End of

jay55 · 27/02/2019 23:56

If this were 23 year old men competing in the 13 year old boys category, the coaches and parents would be shouting from the rooftops at the injustice.

Trousering · 27/02/2019 23:55

Snap

Trousering · 27/02/2019 23:55

Did any one notice the male to female difference table they showed credited Fair play for women?

silentcrow · 27/02/2019 23:53

Outstandingly clear interview from both of them, and the words from the trans athletes made no sense at all, it was word salad!

Did you spot where the statistics were from? Great to see FPFW taking sense to the US. Smile

TalkingintheDark · 27/02/2019 23:38

Shocking that the girl is the one who speaks out about the unfairness, where are the adults, the coaches, the parents, the head Teachers? Why leave all this on the young girl athlete who will no doubt get a backlash for speaking the truth.

Yy, happydappy, it is so wrong, isn’t it.

But she really is so brave for speaking up, and great to see the presenter really saying it how it is.

HebeMumsnet · 27/02/2019 20:57

Hey OP. We clicked on the link here and it didn't look good. We didn't look too far into it but didn't want to risk a mass outbreak of anything. We hadn't realised that your post was entirely quoting another source actually, but to be honest, we'd have to have deleted it regardless as it did break TGs. We don't want to quote it again here as this thread is going so well at the moment but if you'd like to discuss it further feel free to drop us a line at the usual address or hit report on your OP and we can let you know exactly which parts were a problem for future reference.

SignMeUp · 27/02/2019 20:52

Go Selina Soule

Here is the same piece on vimeo vimeo.com/320151408

QuietContraryMary · 27/02/2019 20:50

"it just looked as though your link had a virus"

That seems a bit unlikely, but I suppose it's possible they are using a dodgy ad agency? Out of interest where did that virus report come from?

"It was the post itself that broke our talk guidelines. "

Hmm, well I think to be clear my post was just quoting from the source, there were few if any words of my own. The quoted words were a little uncompromising though. I'm not quite clear if there is a difference between linking to 'misgendering' without repeating the offending pronouns, and quoting it, in terms of your rules?

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HebeMumsnet · 27/02/2019 20:43

Evening, OP. We just wanted to clarify that the reason the previous thread was deleted not that the source you linked to broke guidelines - it just looked as though your link had a virus so we didn't want lots of people clicking on it. It was the post itself that broke our talk guidelines. The two things combined meant we felt it was best removed.

This all looks fine though. Thanks for reposting.

Rogueaccountant · 27/02/2019 20:21

Forget trying to embarrass the male entrants and shouting “cheats!” If they cared, they wouldn’t be in the girls’ Races.

The problem lies with the goons who run the events and colleges that give girls’ scholarships to boys.

Ereshkigal · 27/02/2019 20:16

Oh it's someone else's article. Well bloody said Courtney. And well done for publishing it Crowder.

Ereshkigal · 27/02/2019 20:13

Well bloody said Mr Crowder.

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