Rapper Zuby breaks British Women's deadlift record...

David T Davies isn’t a politician I agree with on many things but I’m still grateful that he was the one of the few politicians to bother to meet with FairPlay for women and women’s place uk.

Bollocks. It looks as if Zuby is a pro lifer. Such a shame, and a shame to distract from the excellent message he was otherwise sending.

The stage we're at I'll take usefulness where we can get it. This was useful.

Yep. Me, too.

He doesn't have to attain a platonic ideal of woke feminism for me to appreciate what he is doing.

More power to you, Zuby!

I definitely appreciate Zuby's common sense and good humour on this.

Zuby has made me laugh this week, for which I thank him. But I'm not yet convinced there's anything more.

As for merchandise, I'd rather give my money to Standing for Women.

But I'd be very happy to be proved wrong. And yes I agree, Stopping this nonsense is going to involve working with lots of different people.

Is he also transatlantic? Why is he putting on a weird American accent when he raps? I thought the so solid crew made that unnaceptable.
I won’t be buying any of his merch anyhow. He has enough sense to understand that there’s no ‘transgender’ community, as there are a lot of dissenting voices which are just ignored, but doesn’t seem to apply the same logic to feminism.

Saying that, his deadlift was amazing and really shines a light on the lunacy of it all to a new audience

He's only a couple of months older than me so we may well have crossed paths at Oxford , if he went straight after school! I wasn't particularly involved in student politics (or indeed any politics) at the time so can't speak to the culture of no-platforming.

Vixxxy - I was one who rolled her eyes at the word 'patriarchy'. Because I was young, things felt equal to me, surely patriarchy was a thing of the past? How wrong I was. Now I see the patriarchy everywhere.

I think the image of feminists being fat hairy man-haters - Milly Tant types (viz has a lot to answer for) - is far reaching, and perpetuated by those who would wish women to not call themselves feminists. It's been fairly successful - Zuby is correct that feminism has bad PR.

I watched "She's beautiful when when she's angry" recently (it's on Netflx - watch it if you haven't) - and I was struck by the unapologetic anger of the second wave feminists.

We need anger like this to stand up against trans-activism/gender theory - and what it's doing to women and children.

I suppose if you're a younger woman with a certain degree of educational and class privilege, which most of the women he interacts with may well be, it can take the brutal realities of having kids for you to be kicked in the face with the bleeding obvious of what's done to us on account of our biology. If that happens to a woman he loves, he'll either get it or carry on oblivious because it suits him. He'll have plenty of company if it's the latter of course.

I can forgive the western women don't need feminism thing because I felt that way too until I had children.

Same. Embarrassingly, I was also one of the 'feminism has gone too far!!!1' numpties til I had kids

I think the feminism they've had amplified to them is the woke, thought-policing, speech stopping with suspiciously many bearded be-penised proponents sort.

Perhaps, but looking at Zuby's timeline I don't know how much this would be him. The main places where people tend to get slapped in the face with that now are uni, employment particularly in certain sectors and then when they have their own kids which I don't think he does.

If he was born in August 86 as google tells me, Zuby was probably at uni in the mid 00s. He and I may have overlapped slightly at Oxford and I have to say, it wasn't very professionally woke, brave and stunning at that time. It also had the option of a whole political and cultural scene that was completely against that to say the least, in the form of the Oxford Union. He says he worked in IT for 3 years post graduation and again, that timeframe and sector doesn't really put him in the main firing line for thought policing TWAW stuff. Unless he was unlucky.

Though he may have gone as a mature student of course. But if not, I'm not sure how much benefit of the doubt he deserves on this. I do of course weigh it against the significant help he has given us this week however. Stopping this nonsense is going to involve working with lots of different people.

An example: I got really, really annoyed with Emma Watson, a privileged famous white actress, putting herself next to Malala Yousafzai. Saying something like Hurray! Malala is a feminist! As if the word itself was worth more than getting shot in the head and almost dying because of your work for women's education. I wanted to shout, shut up Emma, you know NOTHING! As if Malala saying she is a feminist suddenly gave her stature.

I can forgive the western women don't need feminism thing because I felt that way too until I had children. Then the patriarchy suddenly became real despite me being privileged, professional, confident, married to a nice man. I then also started seeing the "microaggressions" I'd been subject to previously and younger women were now being subject to and realised I'd had scales on my eyes before. It'd be hard for a man to see it.

Exactly. I was born to a feminist activist in 1951 I was practically bottle-fed feminism, grew up in a time when women REALLY had it hard could not work if they were married, etc etc. My mother was ground breaking in our country and very outspoken, an icon. I've also lived in third world countries where women really are at the bottom of the heap.
So I have been very meh about today's young white Western feminists going on about things that seem so very minor to me, in comparison.
I was confident enough to be a SAHM and brave the insults of some feminists who thought my mind would go rusty and I'd go mad with boredom: it didn't and I didn't. I still managed to be an independent woman with quite a thriving career as a writer.

I had the feeling that feminism today meant emulating men; accepting male values such as money and prestige and career success being worth more than human values such as love and compassion and caring for others. So I had a lot of trouble accepting the word feminism wholesale, as it seemed to be all about being more male than men. I grew up in a leftist family. My dad was an out and out Marxist. I always voted for left parties.

But the whole gender identity thing ripped scales from my eyes. To me it is a trojan horse through which men are once again trying to take over -- by stealth. I cannot believe that women who call themselves feminists accept things like changing birth certificates and TWAW,
My mother would turn in her grave. Now, at going on 68, I'm getting ready to follow in her footsteps.

And I do understand why some men think feminism has lost the plot. Considering how so many US feminists (Hilary Clinton and all the female Dem presidential candidates!) accept this crap wholesale: it has.

I can forgive the western women don't need feminism thing because I felt that way too until I had children.

Same here actually. I've always had very feminist principles, but I was at University in the early 90s - I was young, and having fun, at a Uni where at least 50% places went to women - the culture of girl power and ladettes, was just beginning - women in pubs drinking pints and being equal to the men.

I benefitted from the hard work of second wave feminism - and I took those hard-won rights for granted. I began to see things a little differently when I had children - I saw that sexism was still alive and well!

All I can see now is women's rights, women's opportunity - even the definition of the word 'woman' being chipped away at by trans-activism. It's regressive and damaging - and as Joan McAlpine just said - is taking us back to the sex stereotypes of the 1950s, which the second wave feminists fought so hard to get away from.

Go Zuby!

No criticism from me, Zuby. I think you are fantastic. Keep up the good work.

This has made my day. Thank you Zuby.

I quite often meet youngish ok my age bright men who think feminism is no longer required and are minded to think feminists are flaky loons.

I think the feminism they've had amplified to them is the woke, thought-policing, speech stopping with suspiciously many bearded be-penised proponents sort.

Generally these lads are good to talk to about women's rights stuff, because they are happy to think. And comfortable hearing dissenting ideas.

As you say, as a woman, Zubes will soon have real life experiences to demonstrate the need for feminism.

I really hope a women’s right’s activist does go on his podcast. Zuby now has about 6,000 feminist followers so it’s time Zuby got radicalised.

I also thought feminism had been successful in the West. I didn’t notice any of the barriers the patriarchy had built for me until I was pregnant.
Then I smacked into them, hard.
Like a sparrow flying into a patio door.
Been trying to learn to fly again ever since. 19 years and counting.

Do you go on blockers when you’ve had prostate cancer? Or for treatment for prostate cancer? I wonder if there are any big ex rugby players who could step up to the plate? Tell us they are dainty things now.

It just occured to me that lots of men go on testosterone blockers for non-trans medical reasons. There must be many who are/were athletically gifted.

I would like to see some of them go out in their long term low testosterone bodies and beat the powerlift or tennis serve speed or 400m womens records. We know they could. I'd give money to the charity of their choice.

I bet they object to the trans-athlete line that testosterone blockers make you run like a girl.

I can forgive the western women don't need feminism thing because I felt that way too until I had children. Then the patriarchy suddenly became real despite me being privileged, professional, confident, married to a nice man. I then also started seeing the "microaggressions" I'd been subject to previously and younger women were now being subject to and realised I'd had scales on my eyes before. It'd be hard for a man to see it.

I bet plenty of white people think black people are equal in the West now so there's no need for special action.

Outsiders will always find it hard to see, even when they identify in.

Brave and stunning. Should be sportswoman of the year and Navratilova should hand him the prize on stage.

he's 32?

amount of slack being cut reduced

Yes, I saw that too olenna. And was impressed at the total lack of self-awareness. He's also 32 apparently, so old enough to no longer be that ignorant.

Still, can't have everything I suppose. Maybe he's been too busy being brave and stunning!