Guardian "investigation" - Trans patients in England face 'soul destroying' wait for treatment

Dear god these people seriously believe they should go ahead ifcwomen with cancer for surgery.
They are indeed sick. But not in the way they think they are.

With self Id it isn’t a mental health condition and it also doesn’t require any sort of treatment.

As an aside, how interesting that "Transmasculine London" used to be "FTM London" - watching the evolution of the use of language throughout the developing debate is fascinating

see previous post

Remember the FTM protest outside the DoH because all the mastectomies were inexplicably going to women with breast cancer.

Toby Walker was involved with the protest.
Toby Walker had outlined his expectations with regards the NHS response to a young person telling their GP they believed they were transgender in a TedTalk Dec 2016 :

'A Trans Man at the Doctor's | Toby Walker | TEDxCoventGardenWomen
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I think Toby Walker may be /have been involved with Action For Trans Health but not completely sure

Betty

I agree - the NHS is fantastic for critical care. It's the non-acute, let's see how things develop care that is sub-optimal

Yy Vickie - epidemiologists should be all over this

I can certainly see the appeal to the government of encouraging people to feel that they have legal transitioned without any need for medical intervention

Now that ChickenonaMug is a BINGO! moment for me. It deals directly with my the gender identity explorers, in their hundreds of thousands or millions, [will need to be] steered to somewhere other than the NHS.

I knew this already, but hadn't really connected the dots. Of course the NHS, and particularly those worried about financing it, will be open to the idea of self-ID as an administrative only solution to vast numbers of young people wanting to transition.

If there were a sudden, massive increase in people presenting with another illness, disease, complaint (insert appropriate term), one of the first things that would happen would be an investigation and research into what was causing that sudden increase.

Is this happening? I don't believe it is. Why not? Why on this issue are we expected to simply accept that a huge number of people are all of a sudden believing they are something other than their biology suggests they are?

Thanks Lights - I missed the WNTT event in Manchester because we were waiting in A&E, just a bad virus, we thought - that became 4 months of pretty much living in the children’s hospital/Ronald McDonald House

I’ve been privileged to see the NHS at it’s best, as well as getting to know scores of inspirational parents of kids with life threatening and life limiting conditions. It’s been a truly profound experience.

Betty I had no idea you weŕe going through that last year so belated and so glad your daughter got such excellent care.

The NHS is full of waiting lists - joint replacements are the ones I know about. Of course we won't die from arthritic hips but God they make day-to-day life almost impossible. So the trans lot can take their places in the queue.

Transwomen just need to try harder to get pregnant. You know, in the way that women should just try harder to beat men at sports.

To be fair to the NHS, I don’t doubt that my daughter (6) would’ve died last September without it.

When you are critically ill there is no wait, and we couldn’t have bought better care, anywhere in the world, even if we were billionaires.

My daughter is now in full clinical remission from a disease that is currently fatal in 60% of diagnosis (and 100% fatal if untreated).

The NHS has been so good to us it’s felt like my daughter has been treated with magic. Everyone has given us kind, loving, care, from the cleaners to the consultants.

I absolutely realise that this is not the case with non-urgent & non-life threatening conditions (my other kid has ASD and that is a whole other story) AND that we were very lucky to live near an excellent children’s hospital, with a recognised world expert on staff.

Still, the NHS at it’s best is beyond brilliant. It just needs more funding/less Tory cronyism creating backdoor privatisation.

As last night’s panorama revealed, HCP are not keen on getting involved with gender related stuff due to the politics, so that makes a bad situation worse.

No need for the trans in there. Everybody is waiting to long in the nhs system. In this respect they’ve achieved equality. No cis privilege in the nhs.

nauticant if you also add in the potential fertility costs such as egg/sperm harvesting, storage and IVF. And also the potential costs for litigation for regret or surgery that hasn't gone to plan, then the costs must be astronomical.
I can certainly see the appeal to the government of encouraging people to feel that they have legal transitioned without any need for medical intervention.

I'm confused, I thought it wasn't a mental health condition?

If a woman is anyone who says they are, then why the need for surgery, hormones, etc.?

I'm sure that the wait for treatment is awful for everyone affected. And by everyone, I mean all patients who face delays whether for cancer, gynae issues, mental health conditions or trans related treatment

The NHS is on its knees

nauticant that sounds like it's sailing suspiciously close to extortion though - "Give me the treatment I demand or I'll hurt myself."

Remember the FTM protest outside the DoH because all the mastectomies were inexplicably going to women with breast cancer.

#wontdiewaiting or similar. No you won't, but the cancer patients literally might.

I learnt a new word today: "cripping" (page 10).

Why do they think 3% of the population are trapped in the wrong bodies? Why has no society noticed this bizarre phenomenon until now?

Shotsfired this little document may interest you - it’s a trans guide to getting the NHS to do exactly what you want.

This is the kind of thing that the anonymous staff of the Tavi are hearing in the hallways when they report hearing parents coaching their kids on what to say.

bytenoise.co.uk/oh-for-fucks-sake/mascara-and-hope.pdf

I'd guess self-harm.