Panorama 25 Feb 20.30hrs: Trans Kids: Why Medicine Matters **Thread title edited by MNHQ**

Oh dear. Someone's not happy

Reuben seemed very measured, pointing out that people were afraid of being called a bigot for asking questions, which leaves lots of unexplored areas re treatment and care for trans people.

the thing is, Jade is obviously intelligent and has self awareness. Jade wants to wait and see. She doesn't want to rush. What about the others who have pushy parents, or want what they want right now and fuck the consequences because they just want blockers? And they want them now. And when there are actual doctors out there happy to collude with this narrative?

Ok, but a bit wishy washy. Should have mentioned the numbers detransitioning, and the implications of surgery and taking hormones for the rest of your life.

Agree that the idea of doing experiments on children, which is what this is, is appalling. We don’t allow this with any other drug. We have huge clinical trials.

Wow. That was an excellent, respectful and nuanced programme. And the young people (especially Jade) came over as so thoughtful.
Essentially it confirmed what we all know - that our children are being experimented on, mutilated and sterilised in order to improve their mental health / gender dysphoria but there is zero evidence that this works. What is that basic medical ethic? First do no harm?

Credit where credit is due - well done to the Faye Kirkland and the BBC for this.

It really does sound like the tide is turning, people are questioning this more and more.

Sport (thanks Martina) and medicalising children - I always thought that these would be the things that would blow this debate wide open.

I thought that was pretty damning (for the BBC) - how anyone can think that it is okay to do a live experiment on children is beyond me!!

I'd like to have heard more from Reuben, they came across well.

Interesting that the doctor said basically no doctors want to work with transgender people now because they just get criticised when they're trying to provide care. Trans charities (pressure groups) should hang their heads in shame, they have failed the people they were meant to support in the worst possible way.

Argh my Sky was saying on at 9 just turned on and it's finished!

I just want to give Jade a huge hug.

At the start of all the stories so far are rigid gender stereotypes.

Ffs angel Gabriel was a man! Poor jade could have been an angel. It sounds like Jade's been sensible and waited.

Have to sleep, watching the rest tomorrow.

and leaving.... what? The trans ideologists. The ones who don't care about safeguarding.

And when they think they are above the law the forget about keeping up appearances and we get gaps, holes and cracks.

Surprised at how many people aren't able to speak out !

I really don’t think we would have had a programme like this even 2 months ago. Lots of questions and explaining lack of evidence.
Feels like things are changing....
Everybody Pullll

This is a real problem though - with everything from the Tavistock - to women's organisations - to the Labour party. The decent, ethical people are resigning - and leaving.... what? The trans ideologists. The ones who don't care about safeguarding.

It's a step in the right direction, but it's very much still the BBC.

Challenging self harm and suicide stats now. Professional opinions silenced and clinicians pressured into affirmation and medical intervention rather than research. Demanding independent enquiry.

Glad they're raising the concerns. I wonder what the public will make of the fact that whistleblowers at the Tavistock are being kept anonymous, like people testifying against the mafia.

Suicide stats...I've given up and put on University Challenge. Looking forward to someone telling me they questioned these.....

‘Over at the Tavistock centre, some clinicians have resigned’

Some? Plural?

It feels like the tide is beginning to slightly turn

If a child is presenting in severe distress saying they cannot bear what's happening to their body while they're on the waiting list for specialist services - isn't the gap to be providing urgent help to those children to cope better with those feelings and with their body? Does it really have to be nothing at all or immediate provision of blockers/hormones?

Although, accepted, there is a lot of anecdotal evidence including from Tavistock about children being coached on what to say and what buttons to push to get past anything that looks like gatekeeping, and that support to address those feelings would be seen as a barrier to overcome to get to the wanted medication.

Rueben from Leicester LGBT group seems very good so far.

The part where they said the biggest increase in trans kids was in young girls wanting to be boys, but no one knows why; I thought straight away it’s because they’ve been abused.

There will never be enough time.