Panorama 25 Feb 20.30hrs: Trans Kids: Why Medicine Matters **Thread title edited by MNHQ**

WowWow Yes they ought to be able to do a retrospective trial. Some will be hard to track down if they have name changed and changed their NHS records but they should still be able to track down a good percentage with a bit of detective work.

All Prof Heneghans evidence is here

blogs.bmj.com/bmjebmspotlight/2019/02/25/gender-affirming-hormone-in-children-and-adolescents-evidence-review/

I would like to see a study of mental health statistics in children over the last few decades, so covering eating disorders, self harm, gender dysphoria, depression etc and broken down like that so we can see how relative the trans kid stats are and if they merge into each other.

It makes no sense to me that one element of mental health is being approached so differently compared to all others. The response to the GOGD study was so ridiculous and it seems to be the only published effort so far.

We need to look at children's mental and physical health overall in relation to society as well as the dangers of TRA guinea pigging an entire generation. Why are children lacking a sense of belonging? Why is resilience not being taught or valued any more?

Thing is every patient will have a medical record so research could surely include patients seen to date. I know some will disengage but all will have been recorded, medical records don't vanish and if there is a bunch of money the consent could be sought and data included?

I am assuming this is the inquiry ordered by Penny Mordaunt

I don't think so. The inquiry is supposed to look at why there has been such a massive increase in the numbers, especially among girls.

The Tavistock grant is to research outcomes. They're going to carry on this big experiment on children, they're just going to start recording some results from now on. It'll take years and years to find out how it works out for these young people. In the mean time, how many more children will be medicated and put on a track that ends with surgery, loss of fertility, loss of sexual function and other irreversible changes?

I think that's my major gripe with this programme - it was just taken for granted that there are all these trans kids and the focus was on how best to treat them.

Carmicheal touched on the issue when she said something about girls being dissatisfied with female gender roles. If that's the case though, why are we framing it as a medical issue at all? It's staring us in the face that it's gender (sex roles and stereotypes) that is the problem. I don't understand how PC can see the problem but still carry on working in a clinic and trying to fix kids with medical intervention to cope with what is a social problem.

I'd like to have heard a lot more from Prof Henehan.

Caught up now. It's really shocking that there has been no long term follow up/longitudinal study of patients over the years. Polly Carmichael all happy that they now have funding to do this. It seems extraordinarily negligent that it wasn't done from the start.

Agree WowWowWoman - if this is going to be a clinical trial I think it will have to registered but I suspect it will look back over records of children and young people referred to GIDS. The bit in the programme about the lack of research will have come as a surprise to many viewers I think.

They mentioned that Webberley was suspended by the GMC but forgot to mention she is a convicted criminal.

It would be nice to see specific research goal etc wouldn't it? I want good news but the sceptic in me worries this is a TRA funded and controlled grant to push medicalisation. I want real science (and actually solid investment in mental health services across the board).

Who is funding the oh so exciting mahoosive tavistock grant?
I am assuming this is the inquiry ordered by Penny Mordaunt, WowWowWoman. Announced last year to look at rise in referrals of girls but can’t find any more details of size of grant or what they are going to do.

Speaking of which...

eu.usatoday.com/story/life/allthemoms/2019/02/22/pediatric-office-staff-wears-vaccines-cause-adults-shirts-after-measles-outbreaks/2949867002/

I just caught the second bit after the news, did Webberley buy her certificate from the same place G McKeith did? She seems a bit dim and anti facts/research for a medical professional. I heard only UK private Dr but not "COURT CASE".

Glad some research is happening, sorry sheeps.

Who is funding the oh so exciting mahoosive tavistock grant?

I've never particularly liked panorama. Too sensationalist and tabloidly as a rule.

However, its got to be said on this particular subject, thats possibly what is needed to blow the lid off it all once and for all.

Interesting that the doctor said basically no doctors want to work with transgender people now because they just get criticised when they're trying to provide care. Trans charities (pressure groups) should hang their heads in shame, they have failed the people they were meant to support in the worst possible way.

This is the scandal.

The ideology is so fucked up, and the community so aggressive and demanding that no one wants to anymore. This isn't normal. And its not bigotry driving it. Its born of self preservation.

Just imagine being married to someone like this, or part of the same family. Its abusive behaviour.

Helen Belcher upset at the bbc. I wonder what the agreement they had was:

mobile.twitter.com/HelenCBelcher/status/1100104333880905734

Oh god I said Wakeley. I meant Wakefield of course - of struck-off-living-in-Texas-amongst-hero-worshippers fame.

Him & Webberley have a lot in common. (Not the supermodel spouse though )

Don't think she'll find a supermodel to date though.

Yes, they did mention it optimist - but they weren't exactly condemning her iyswim.

They still featured her, and interviewed her. Really, she should be as discredited as Andrew Wakeley now.

Missed it, will have to wait for iplayer. But did they anywhere mention the little matter of Helen Webberley's conviction? It seems an extraordinarily omission.
Twitter is fun just now though.

This is a really important quote from former Tavistock insiders:

"Counter to child development theory and knowledge, this service changes children's bodies with the aim of improving their mental health. Which mostly does not seem to work."

Which is what gender critical feminists et al have been saying all along.

Sheep farmers aren't daft.

Tommy Robinson is cross for a previous Panorama programme I think. Not quite sure of the details.

Panorama is shining a light on the horrors of Tommy Robinson and gender ideology. I think I quite like Panorama.

^That won't be screenshotted on twitter will it

Which means the trans allies are allying themselves with Tommy Robinson supporters.

What was it that goady yesterday said?
10 people eat together, one is a racist then so are the others by association?

Hopefully it is dawning on them now why this is flawed.

What's the Tommy Robinson Panorama connection?

eh what? Tommy Robinson supporters are cross with this programme???

Some interesting anecdote on this thread*

FlyingOink there are some Mermaids parents who have been extremely critical of GIDS for a long time and are also active twitter TRAs.

growinguptransgender.com/2018/07/20/gids-failing/