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Hell yes Billy Porter

110 replies

JudgeRulesNutterButter · 25/02/2019 11:26

www.vogue.com/article/billy-porter-oscars-red-carpet-gown-christian-siriano

(Apols if there’s a thread already, I couldn’t see one)

Billy Porter wore a gown to the Oscars and I am LOVING his rationale as described in the Vogue article. Challenging gender stereotypes all the way. “I’m a man in a dress.” Bloody brilliant.

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Myfoolishboatisleaning · 26/02/2019 01:52

I hate that this is seen as “revolutionary”. We did all this years ago and this is now 2019 and the kids think this is so subversive, it pisses me right off, we are regressing.

JudgeRulesNutterButter · 26/02/2019 01:27

Because generally men do not wear women’s clothes. Because generally doing something “only women do” is seen as a step down: it’s mocked, it’s not something to aspire to. Challenging gender norms is an f-you to a society that still says that men have to act/be masculine and women have to act/be feminine. It’s part of the battle against boys=blue girls=pink. It’s a fight for individual freedom of expression.

That’s why.

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wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 26/02/2019 01:14

This is the feminist section of Mumsnet.

Why should we give a shit what a man wears to the Oscars?

NoShitHemlock · 26/02/2019 01:00

And the dress is hideous

But it has pockets

MargueritaPink · 25/02/2019 23:37

And the utter bullshit about names is also hilarious

Glad it amuses you. It wasn't particularly funny being called out on a name change which we are all free to do.

And the dress is hideous.

Melanippe · 25/02/2019 23:14

Anyway, back to the thread.

He looked great, and I am enjoying the fragile masculinity on Twitter immensely.

And the utter bullshit about names is also hilarious.

MargueritaPink · 25/02/2019 23:02

It's lovely isn't? That is indeed where that iteration came from.

This version is a bit too fast

I like this one but she can't reach the final high note.

ErrolTheDragon · 25/02/2019 22:42

The last Lass iteration used to give me an occasional pleasant Arne earworm.

drspouse · 25/02/2019 22:22

I loved this too and am slightly Hmm at a few of the supposedly GC women who are ranting about it (not very many, but there are a couple).

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 25/02/2019 21:06

Yeah...jeffrey was a twunt

MargueritaPink · 25/02/2019 21:04

The line is
Now boast thee, death, in thy possession lies
A lass unparalleled

I lost that name during the Jeffreygate debacle.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 25/02/2019 21:03

See

Poemish

MargueritaPink · 25/02/2019 20:58

It started as ALassUnparalleled (from Anthony and Cleopatra and as used in the memorial to Vivien Leigh at Stratford-upon-Avon theatre gardens). I said I thought it was a beautiful epitaph which generated a pile on about how unenlightened (aka thick) I was.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 25/02/2019 20:56

I thought it was from a poem...

Sounded poemish

OlennasWimple · 25/02/2019 20:44

I'd always wondered where your previous name came from, MP

(Sorry for the derail)

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 25/02/2019 20:37

Like i say

He didnt have the shirt and tie bit on when i saw him

He had a necklace and the top was lower cut...im not fond of the shirt and tie

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 25/02/2019 20:34

Sorry to hear that Pink I've always enjoyed your posts even though I often don't agree

Same

Ive still got a cobb on though

Floisme · 25/02/2019 19:50

Sorry to hear that Pink I've always enjoyed your posts even though I often don't agree. I find them refreshing.

I disagree about the dress too but then I have soft spot for the southern belle look.

ICJump · 25/02/2019 19:47

I think he looks like a god. The dress is fabulous.

MargueritaPink · 25/02/2019 19:38

Yeah the 'you all' annoyed me too Marguerita. You know perfectly well we're not a cult and we don't all speak with one voice

You all was referring to the posters on this thread. I don't see any dissenting views on this thread.

As for being rude - I got accused of being a TRA on another thread ("TRA bingo" was the phrase) for expressing a view which went against the grain of that thread. I didn't complain but it was rude.

As for the name I went through about 4 names before settling on something with Lass. I've never hidden name changes since although before I hit on lass there was an extremely nasty call out by someone around names 2 or 3.

I like Lass. I picked it as a result of a thread where some posters were pontificating that lass was unnacceptable to use it for a grown up women (bore off)

However at the end of last year another poster picked a name with Lass in it and I kept seeing references to Lass which weren't me.

The dress is hideous. The top half doesn't go with the bottom half and the enormous skirt makes him look like a vampire version one of the Southern belles in full ante bellum splendour you find hanging around formal botanic gardens in the Southern states.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 25/02/2019 19:37

Superb.

And interesting how liberated he felt when he transgressed the gender stereotypes and continued to experience himself as male. Imagine what the world might be like if men believed their manhood to rest on their immutable existence, not on the adequacy with which they perform all the stupid masculinity rules

IDoN0tCare · 25/02/2019 19:30

Mind you, all that velvet would be a disaster and I’d turn up covered in cat and dog hairs. 😬

IDoN0tCare · 25/02/2019 19:28

*lived = loved

IDoN0tCare · 25/02/2019 19:27

I don’t like the top half. If your gonna wear a dress, go full ball gown!

I absolutely loved the top half. Actually I lived the whole dress and would love to have the opportunity to wear something like that. I don’t really feel comfortable in most dresses, but I’d wear that in a heartbeat. He’s a lucky sod getting a chance to have a dress personally designed for him. Good luck to him, I say.

I would never have recognised him from Kinky Boots, but I suppose that was a few years ago.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 25/02/2019 18:50

I didnt see it with the tux shirt

Im sure he just had a necklace on when he was on his way to the vanity fair party

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