R4 Today about the Tavistock report/resignation

Dr Faye Kirkland also investigated for the Panorama program ;ast year about the dangers of online clinics which referred to Dr Christian.
(I think the thread discussing it was zapped)

She is aware of Dr Webberley and the conviction against her and GenderGP.

I wonder whether senior, and well respected, medics, like Susan Bewley, speaking out has had any impact.

There's been a a number of points of serious professional challenge which seem to be coming together and perhaps reaching critical mass.

I'm sure a lot of medical ethical discussion has been going on including at senior levels.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0002tw1

Trans Kids: Why Medicine Matters
Panorama

More young people than ever are exploring their gender identity. Last year, two and a half thousand under-eighteens were referred to NHS England's gender identity clinics for support. Some are hoping to get access to potentially irreversible treatments as soon as they can. Doctors are divided about the best way to help.

Dr Faye Kirkland investigates how much we understand about the care being offered to transgender children.

Oh this is interesting. The wall of silence seems to be getting broken down finally.

I wonder whether senior, and well respected, medics, like Susan Bewley, speaking out has had any impact.

Yes Susie Green can lobby all she wants, and the Lottery can provide her with bags of money to do so. However almost all medics would have serious qualms about medicating healthy children without a clear evidence base. And many many medics have a healthy scepticism about American approaches, especially where they sense lobbying from drug companies.

This, and sport is where the battles will be won. More fool Stonewall for the #nodebate.

Now that it seems the BBC is waking up, a reminder of what someone mentioned on another thread, namely that Paddy O'Connell on yesterday's Broadcasting House said they were willing to return to the issue if people thought it was important enough. So a good idea to email in and explain why they need to be covering it: www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/features/broadcasting-house/contact/

Good questioning by the interviewer and naming the problems... What a change! Polly said there was no training in the field. Does anyone remember if the Tavistock clinic was in Stonwalls list, or indeed if Sonewall and Mermaids are on the Tavistocks contacts to go to list?

Ooh. Panorama. I will inflict it on the family.
University challenge can wait for iPlayer later.

Wow.

She really did her best to avoid answering the questions didn't she. Yet whilst desperately trying to give herself time to answer by elongating the phrases she was using she accidently answered the question anyway but without realising.

She was basically out smarted into admitting social media had an impact and that there was alot of pressure from people.

Bit of an own goal really.

I'm.surprised this was allowed to air but glad it was .

Very indicative of the whole thing. No.answers to reasonable questions and the victim card at play the entire time.

Panorama on BBC one at 8:30 tonight, is the shit about to collide with the fan? I don’t know, because the BBC, but the timing does all seem rather coincidental.

It's nowhere on the BBC news website, as far as I can see.

As Polly Carmichael stated, The Tavistock is one of the oldest established clinics. Its founder 'established' both the narrative and treatment model to treat 'children whose gender identity does not match their sex'

Dr Domenico DiCeglie
Lifetime Honorary Consultant Child and Adolescent Psychiatrist

GIDS London
Founder and Former Director Gender Identity Development Service, Tavistock Centre, London.

Honorary Senior Lecturer, Dept. of Psychology, University College London.

Docente, Scuola di specializzazione in psicologia clinica, Università La Sapienza Roma.

Doctor of Education (Honoris Causa) University of East London.

You founded the Gender Identity Development Service. What gave you the idea to do so?

I was inspired to start the Gender Identity Development Service in 1989 by an encounter with a teenager, who was assigned female at birth, who perceived himself to be male. I saw him for exploratory psychotherapy in the mid-80s following three overdoses. In one of the sessions he wondered why his parents had not understood his situation when he was a child and sought professional help and support. This started my thinking about setting up a specialist service for this group of young people, but at the time I would never have imagined the developments which followed."
gids.nhs.uk/who-we-are/domenico-diceglie

For the very first time the BBC have actually treated this subject as what it is — a safeguarding issue — and Justin Webb just went at it in a businesslike, properly journalistic way

this

what's been going on at the Tavistock is seriously odd, and the fact that our national broadcaster has up to now been ignoring it is a serious oversight. it's about time it was redressed

Yes Rowan, Nick Robinson is another good example of a darn good journalist actually doing his job.

Polly Carmichael: Talking a lot, not saying anything.

Apparently, Panorama tonight will be featuring the Tavistock.

About time that Damian Hinds was called out on this. It is on his watch as Secretary of State for Education that the porn addicts, the flashers, the paedophile employers and fetishists have been able to directly access schools, the girl guides and everywhere else that children congregate. The DfE have done nothing to protect children from this. I'd like to think that he actually doesn't know the creepy reality of many of the leading personnel that the government have been working with. It's just too frightening to think that the protection of children matters so little in comparison to the demands of the above.

Justin Webb is basically a proper, grown up journalist doing his job well.

This is key.

cf Nick Robinson interviewing Paris Lees:
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05xp3z2

Linky:

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0002rj6

(01:47)

It is news because a trustee of an NHS trust quit. That’s a pretty big issue. I think it’s more this that has led to this discussion and these guests than some change in journalistic agenda/tide.

Polly Carmichael simply evaded every difficult question, though, and refused to admit the possibility of social contagion.

Polly Carmichael on R4 Woman's Hour last year was similarly wooly.
October 2018
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3408010-rogd-on-woman-s-hour-tomorrow

Fresh air. Sunlight and Truth-telling. Hopefully this is the BBC waking the fuck up.

Justin Webb is basically a proper, grown up journalist doing his job well.

That is really quite something - even two weeks ago you'd never have got anything remotely like that sober and sensible discussion. And no celebrity trans wheeled in to provide "the opposite view" - are the grown-ups finally back at the BBC?

I am deeply suspicious of the timing of all this. Can't help but think there's something bigger brewing - a court case? Mishandled funding? Abuse scandal?

refused to admit the possibility of social contagion

But then did concede that we are all influenced by external factors but didn't feel the term social contagion was helpful.