So what if trans women take over women’s sport?

"Then I remember that there is a whole group of entitled, narcissistic men who actually do think like this".

This.

I genuinely think that a lot of men feel that they are doing a noble and generous thing by handing over women's events, achievements and spaces to men who they see as "lesser" than they are. They give up nothing themselves but they set about ensuring that women must give up things.

So, the hierarchy as they see it is:

Men
Lesser men
Women

And there are many men who feel that it makes them honourable and right to assert that women should always be on the bottom.

Wow that article is vile. And the sad thing is he'll get pats on the back for his misogyny.

So if it's just sport, and life ain't fair... why does the unfairness have to fall on women?

Sport is segregated by sex not gender, for sound physiological reasons. Male and female, not masculine and feminine. Transwomen are not, and never can be, female. DSDs are a different question - some of the affected individuals may, for the sake of fairness to women as a whole, need to be treated as disadvantaged males rather than advantaged women. There's probably no answer everyone will consider 'fair' to everyone- but the current situation is developing to be grossly unfair to women and girls.

I'm all for people being who they feel they are, but sport is separated by gender for a reason.

No they are not!

That is the whole point. They are separated by SEX.

Imo its better if people are open about their misogyny. I like to know where I stand with people.

Well he's not getting any support in the comments at all. Silly man.

Oh my god, he's a twunt and mistake!! I wonder what happened in his childhood to make him dislike women so MUCH!

I do wonder about these writers.

This piece just seems so completely, utterly, obviously wrong that it makes me think that the writer is actually trying to peak trans the nation, while still appearing to be on the "right (woke) side of history".

Then I remember that there is a whole group of entitled, narcissistic men who actually do think like this.

I'm all for people being who they feel they are, but sport is separated by gender for a reason. Men are (typically on the whole) stronger than women and it is absolutely ridiculous for a trans woman (biologically and chemically male) to compete against biological women. It shouldn't be allowed at all, then trans people can decide for themselves if they're happy to go through a change and still compete against their own sex. Boils my blood

He's the chief sports writer?

Wow. That's a contender for most contemptuous, dismissive, appalling male privilege display I have ever seen. Astonishing.

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I thought it was a random opinion piece at first, like those nutjob Guardian articles. But this man is chief sportswriter for the Independent.

Chief sportswriter. To coin a phrase, let that penetrate.

We will end up with a situation where men who aren't quite good enough for a men's Olympic/elite team are advised to identify as female in order to stand a chance of winning a medal.

It's a fucking joke

Thank you for saying we shouldn't be compared to the KKK that's big of you Mr sports writer.

It's happening mate, and it's getting more and more frequent. I know it makes you feel big to portray us as hysterical but this needs properly looking at BECAUSE IT'S CHEATING.

You might as well say we can all take performance enhancing drugs

I'm sure you'll get loads of woke points for your opinion though, bless your sexist little heart.

One hypothetical trans child feels inspired. Thousands of girls turn off. What. an. achievement... [slowest possible hand clap].

Because there wouldn't be any women's sport.

Just the men's A team and the men's B team.

It’s infuriating.
It has taken YEARS to get women’s sports given airtime on TV and reported on. I want to see top world class women in sports, not mediocre trans women.

Caster is a different situation, but her build and speed demonstrate the difference that testosterone makes.

He is an absolute bellend.

This comment comes part way to expressing how I feel.

There is something truely wicked about trying to force people to accept pure fiction over reality. It is obscene that we have entire scientific disciplines who pump out fake science. Peer reviewed science doesn’t mean a thing when all those peers are corrupt frauds hell-bent on pushing a political agenda. These are not scientists, they are activists masquerading as scientists. Their students are trained to become diversity officers whose task it is to police the lies and exact punishment on those who don’t toe the line.

His deliberately ludicrous assertion that do you really think 'this' is going to happen, and then telling you that when it does, you shouldn't care, just goes to show how gender stereotyping is wrong. He couldn't be more irrational, illogical and hysterical.

wow. Women just don't matter. That women have an arena in which to compete amongst each other, accepting that the genetic lottery isn't fair and that some are stronger, faster, taller, more agile............. but able to classify themselves and have the right to compete with each other, that right doesn't even register as a right or even a concept to him.

I've skim read it and played bigot bilge bingo.

Strawman, prejudice, hysteria blah blah blah.

I now don't read anything with these pointless words; it's smoke and mirrors designed to deflect from the arguments, discussions and reality.

I see that the writer has pulled out the cliche about transition being a huge deal, that people would never do on a whim:

"Going through the protracted and often traumatic transition process, securing the necessary medical and psychological documentation, living their entire lives under a fraudulent identity"

Completely misrepresenting the GC argument.

The whole point is that there are concerns about self-id. That this arduous process won't be necessary or expected. There are TRAs arguing that any male should be able to compete as a woman, simply because they choose to.

Pure misogyny.

Even at the Independent, which has largely degenerated into Woke Central once it went online only, there isn't a single supportive comment under that article.

Read the room, sexist man, read the room.

Basically, it doesn't matter if male transpeople dominate in female sport, because it will be inspiring for (let's face it) male trans children.

I can only assume this man has no daughters, sisters or female friends. He actually thinks women and girls don't really mind if their achievements are trashed for the 'greater good'. He gives not a care for fair play or sporting excellence for women because he thinks only real sports ie men's sport actually matters.