Ruth Hunt is leaving Stonewall

Ruth Hunt is totally focussed on money and power. She will be going somewhere where she gets more of both I'm sure she jumped rather than was pushed. She is bright so will be looking for a challenge so dont think it will be a charity. And dont think most of them would pay her enough. I wouldnt be surprised by a corporate role in the city as she has lately had lots of contacts with woke attempting companies and she might be useful to them in promoting their wokeness.

That article is great. It also explains why I still have an impression of Stonewall as being a decent group - it’s because my dealings with them were pre-2012. Love the sex stereotype idea - it’s not new as that is simply what gender is about, but we’ve all got used to saying gender now when that’s not what we mean!

That's a great article. Thanks for sharing the link.

Oops --- i see the article has already been posted.

Here's an excellent article on this|:

medium.com/@JonnnyBest/whats-gone-wrong-with-stonewall-1be30cffba9f?fbclid=IwAR0S9lqqEtwywXFaPxZwItsv_cHZ6jV3pJCmfqsu-FrwRpnGW0ig0DF_8tQ

I am not saying that autogyneaphilia makes men lesbians so we are not disagreeing. I think that is profoundly abusive to women

Autogyneaphilia is sexual attraction to the self imagined as becoming the opposite sex.

I have read that men who are AGP can eventually become same sex attracted) to men) as a result of transing into the woman that they love, as this is part of the orientation., (obviously I know they are still men hence me duscribing this as same sex.
Men will never be lesbians. I'm surprised we even have to say something as stupid but hey never underestimate how stupid the world can be sometimes m

This is all stuff I learned from reading Blanchard, Bailey, Alice Kruger and Anne Lawrence.

Christ, can you imagine having to go into work every day and be faced with a wall of woman-hatred like that?

It must be horrific.

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All I can say is that I have heard that other women (less well known) are leaving, too, and that it's not an easy place to work at (who would have thought).

I would question Johnny's assertion that trans is not a sexual orientation. Gay men that are influenced culturally into believing the are too effeminate to be men so there must be a straight woman, yes, it's pretty clear cut that trans is not orientation.
I've read about utogyneaphilia being described as a sexual orientation. A sexual attraction to yourself as the opposite sex.

I'm finding this to be an interesting perspective. On the one hand AGP is denied strenuously, on the other hand people are happily out about their AGP.

Jonny and stonewall need to acknowledge this aspect of trans because this is a fundamental point and the source of most of the push back coming from women.

medium.com/@JonnnyBest/whats-gone-wrong-with-stonewall-1be30cffba9f

This is a really sensible article imo and reflects my opinion.

I always use 'sex roles'

Ha ha. That jumped out at me. I have been using 'sex roles' and 'sex stereotypes' instead of gender for ages before Jack Appleby said it. But he's a good apple so I didn't mention it. I didn't realise Jeffreys said it first.

And yep, thanks for the footnote! Really quite important. I thought it had been used by others previously.

A little footnote…
Karen Ingala Smith pointed out that she heard Sheila Jeffreys describe gender as ‘sex stereotypes’ at a conference a few years ago. My thanks also to Meagan Tyler who informs me that the reference traces back to Jeffreys’ 2014 book, Gender Hurts. I cite Jack Appleby in my text as it is his discussion of this on Twitter which led me to the idea. I spend too much time on Twitter and not enough reading books

*Stonewall is asserting that lesbians are attracted to anyone with a female (sex stereotype) identity, whether that person is biologically male or female.

Nuts when you read it like this.

It’s helpful to remember what we’re talking about when we talk about gender. Jack Applebyy* has argued that we could replace the word gender with ‘sex stereotypes’ for a more vivid sense of what gender is. He’s right  - because that is exactly what gender is.

This is a really helpful point when trying to discuss any of this with anyone not really in the know. The cognitive dissonance needed when processing 'trans non binary' (but insists on accessing spaces of the opposite sex) in this way pops the bubble.

Useful article, thanks Jonny.

And Stonewall are complicit in their silence on the issue. Employing a certain MP just shows exactly how far from their core remit they have strayed.

I wrote this before I saw Jonny’s post

I think Jonny Best will be the best candidate if it has to be a man. He started the petition and I think that stonewall will want him on their side.

A little something I dashed off tonight to commemorate Ruth's announcement... medium.com/@JonnnyBest/whats-gone-wrong-with-stonewall-1be30cffba9f

Lest we forget...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3366278-Ruth-Hunt-Stonewall-CEO?pg=2

Aimee Challenor

It is unlikely that Ruth Hunt will have seen the light or is wracked with guilt but has more than likely been offered a better paid job somewhere else. She has consistently put herself first and women last. That’s her legacy.

People who have been deleted, am I right that those posts were ones that stated truth rather than polite fiction? One post at least mentioned a lawyer