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Ruth Hunt is leaving Stonewall

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Whatisthisfuckery · 21/02/2019 16:21

Just seen this on Twitter.

twitter.com/ruth_hunt/status/1098604129394585601?s=21

I’d like to think her successor will be less homophobic. We shall see, although I’m not holding out much hope.

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FlyingOink · 23/02/2019 17:32

This is going to damage a lot of hard won acceptance. It’s worrying
Worrying and infuriating. Hunt has zero accountability. Stonewall are the default gay voice. She has absolutely caused harm and damage to the very people she has taken for granted for so long.

Bowlofbabelfish · 23/02/2019 17:30

Once LGBT as an acronym is associated with perverts, that's it.

I have noticed, in things like newspaper comments etc, people linking the two, and there’s a definite sense of a backlash. This will harm the LGB - people are associating them because organisations like stonewall are pushing the association hard.

This is going to damage a lot of hard won acceptance. It’s worrying

Popchyk · 23/02/2019 17:18

Article by Jo Bartosch.

conatusnews.com/lionesses-lambs-ruth-hunt-katie-ghose-sophie-walker/

Lionesses Led by Lambs: Ruth Hunt, Katie Ghose, Sophie Walker

"Ruth Hunt, Katie Ghose, and Sophie Walker could have been powerful advocates for women, yet each of them failed and, instead, stepped down".

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 23/02/2019 17:18

I’ve gone back to old school LGB. I suspect the B isn’t necessary anyway.

FlyingOink · 23/02/2019 17:09

Hunt should be ashamed of herself. She's not half as clever as she thinks she is, and she has left a steaming pile of shit where a useful charity once stood.
I don't believe she has any regrets, even if six months from now she claims she was swept along by others I will never believe she didn't intend to do this. She could have resigned or spoken out earlier of she disagreed with any of this. She didn't and she doesn't. She has no honour at all.
I hope she realises how many lesbians hate her for causing us real damage. She can hide in her clique for now but as previously mentioned she's only 38, she is going to be hated for a long time to come.
She's better off moving to Canada,.all joking aside. They're even further gone than we are, and she can hide there. In the UK she will always be known amongst many lesbians as the idiot who prioritised straight male fetishists above homosexual women (and men), and who destroyed all the acceptance homosexuals had built up.
Once LGBT as an acronym is associated with perverts, that's it. Her work is done.
Ben Summerskill was a good leader for Stonewall and achieved so much. It must be agonising for him to watch as Hunt just turns it all to shit.

RebeccaWrongDaily · 23/02/2019 15:08

i've heard a rumour that little owen jones is intending to stand in Stockport to replace Anne Coffey. It won't be him.

Courday · 23/02/2019 13:51

Heck, have Linda Riley on the board, fine. She is a lesbian and entitled to her views but she should be joined by people like Bindel, Bellos maybe Stock who knows? There are surely plenty of women who could contribute - diversity of opinion should be encouraged, it is something that certainly seems to have been lacking over the last few years.
I would volunteer but I would just get too angry at all the bull

Courday · 23/02/2019 13:47

"So the menz would be running any lesbian committee. Guaranteed."

If Stonewall can't stand up to themselves and host a board of actual homosexual females then they should be shut down.

Popchyk · 23/02/2019 13:39

"Lesbian Advisory board to Stonewall is a fantastic idea".

But.

The Lesbian Advisory Board would be dominated by men who claim to be lesbians. And Linda Riley who is trying to cash in on the Trans Gravy Train.

Because Stonewall has no way of excluding men from a Lesbian Advisory Board because transwomen are women, right? And lesbians are attracted to gender not sex, right? So men not only have a right to be on the board, but they are actually the most oppressed of all lesbians and they therefore must be elevated above the lesser lesbians (women).

So the menz would be running any lesbian committee. Guaranteed.

ChattyLion · 23/02/2019 13:24

Lesbian Advisory board to Stonewall is a fantastic idea.

But I wouldn’t want to overstate what such a board might be able to achieve if the Trustees are the same or the Trustees don’t have a massive, publicised change of heart. This charity dismissed women’s concerns and request for discussion out of hand when they have politely and publicly been asked for that.

In a charity the Chief Executive isn’t the (only) driving force giving it direction. The Chief Exec proposes, then carries out with the staff, a work programme which the Trustees discuss and sign off on in line with the aims of the charity. Trustees are ultimately legally responsible for what the charity does.

But the charity’s actions to date, show that its aims have been commonly understood by the Chief Exec and Trustees to be exactly in line with the charity’s actions to date. Nobody has shown their despair or whatever in any public way.

So until Hunt or the Trustees set out a new position on this issue then I’ll just expect more of the same to come from a new Chief Exec. Much as I would like to be optimistic.

Courday · 23/02/2019 12:45

That came to mind when I read the line in Janice Turner’s piece about RH’s despair.

But she was in charge, she should have gone public regarding any misgivings if she had any (yes, I know, we all know what happens when women do).
There are many things she could have done to mitigate the damage - to lesbians in particular - a lesbian advisory board for example to counter/work with the trans one for example.
In fact I think this should be a requirement for whoever takes over. There are lots of people who I could nominate for this, Julie Bindel would be at the top of the list.

FloraFox · 23/02/2019 12:38

A couple of months ago Julie Bindel tweeted that she was tempted to disclose details of a conversation she had with Ruth Hunt before she took the position at Stonewall. I don’t think JB did that but I got the impression she thought RH was being hypocritical in her position on the T at Stonewall. That came to mind when I read the line in Janice Turner’s piece about RH’s despair.

CallMeSirShotsFired · 23/02/2019 12:25

I thought this tweet may have some truth in it:

"Ruth leaving Stonewall now Mainstream disagrees with the ideology she promotes and has destroyed the LGBT with"

She got out just before the world at large said the emperor was naked.

HamiltonCork · 23/02/2019 12:00

I don’t think she regrets any of it. We’ve no evidence to think otherwise.
She got paid a fortune and fucked us over at the same time.

FeedMeBooks · 23/02/2019 11:58

*"The Stonewall of today is very different to the one I joined, and I’m proud of the part I’ve played in that journey. Our work to support LGBT equality in education and to empower LGBT individuals to act as role models in institutions and businesses has grown exponentially. We are now a serious voice working to stamp out homophobia, biphobia and transphobia in sport, and our ambitions to support the work of human rights defenders internationally is growing at a pace.

Since 2015, we have been a proudly trans-inclusive organisation, and our work with trans communities to tackle the discrimination they face on a daily basis has been one of the major focuses for myself and our board of trustees over the past five years."*
www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/note-ruth

I think she has zero regrets or despair.

DoctoressPlague · 23/02/2019 11:50

Call me cynical, but I think Ruth is despairing at the fact that not everyone can see the fabulousness and authenticity of the manlesbian.

TimeLady · 23/02/2019 11:42

Quote from Janice Turner

"with its lesbian CEO Ruth Hunt resigning this week reportedly in some despair"

It will speak volumes as to whether Hunt refutes that suggestion or not.

Nicely played, Janice, either way Grin

2rebecca · 23/02/2019 11:42

I think Scotsman readers have been less exposed t trans ideology than many of us. A couple of men in the comments seem to think she's making up the stuff about heterosexual males identifying as lesbians. They are right in that it seems too obviously bonkers to be believable though

FloralBuntingIsObnoxious · 23/02/2019 11:41

Yes. In the absence of a psychic ability, all we have are her published statements that she is very proud of turning an LGB charity into a charity for Straight men to better bully lesbians. Let's not weasel her out of that pride ourselves when she is not shy about it.

LangCleg · 23/02/2019 11:37

Why are we assuming that Ruth has any regrets?

I'm sure she's very happy with her tenure at Stonewall and is very much looking forward to the next stop on the nepotistic third sector roundabout, and to wreaking as much havoc in her new post.

Courday · 23/02/2019 11:21

Excellent article in the Scotsman.
"But Ms Hunt led a campaign that insists that gender stereotypes – these false constructs – matter more than sex. At its most basic, she argues that if a man decides he is a lesbian, but proudly keeps his penis, then he is still a lesbian. Not surprisingly, many lesbian women objected to this sudden intrusion of male members into their sex life. Their concerns were dismissed as “transphobic”."

Imagine having that on your conscious for the rest of your life?
What damage has this rhetoric had on young (and older) lesbians?

EatCashews · 23/02/2019 11:19

So she left before she became 'damaged goods' in a way that would seriously hinder her career prospects? Most people in the UK still haven't looked at this issue in depth.

If she's a smart woman, that's a smart move.

Popchyk · 23/02/2019 11:17

Hunt thought she was playing them, Floral.

Cringe.

FloralBuntingIsObnoxious · 23/02/2019 11:08

Trans rights might be deprioritised; so they’ve had to trust me to not do that.

This quote from that interview, talking about what she's done with making Stonewall a trans charity, is telling, don't you think? She basically ssid, "I'll put you in the charity's remit, but don't worry, you won't just be a part of a bigger picture of equality and fairness - you can trust me to put you front and centre. It's all about you now."

TimeLady · 23/02/2019 10:58

That's where greed and not doing your homework gets you, Ruth. These people played you like a fiddle

Back in 2016, she certainly seemed committed to the cause

So far, my proudest achievement is that Stonewall became trans-inclusive in 2015, after a six-month consultation with more than 700 trans people. Being able to call Stonewall an LGBT organisation for the first time was a milestone moment for me. However, the real achievement is the progress that we and the trans community have made together since that point.

www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2016/15-april/features/interviews/interview-ruth-hunt-chief-executive-stonewall

and that radio interview last year was a disgrace.

I'm not prepared to let her get away with claiming to be 'naïve' in retrospect. She's really really not that dumb. And if she is, she shouldn't be rewarded with another cosy CEO job elsewhere.

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