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Just heard appalling man-excusing interview on R4

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extraspoons · 21/02/2019 07:43

Just heard John Humphries interview some guy about letters coming to light revealing that Dickens, in his determination to get rid of his wife so he could be with his mistress, tried to get his wife incarcerated in a mental asylum (despite there being no evidence of her having any mental illness). HIs wife in the letters said that ( i paraphrase as cannot remember it all) 'the law, bad as it is, he could not quite contrive to achieve his purpose.'

Humphries said, it doesn't make him a bad person though, does it?
Interviewee, 'Oh no, and he did great work after this episode for Great Ormand Street hospital.'
Humphries, 'maybe he needed some help for his mental health himself'

WTF?

Actually, yes, trying to deprive your wife of her liberty and have your sane wife imprisoned in a mental asylum so you can shack up with your mistress does make you a bad person actually. It also makes you an extraordinary hypocrite to publicly proclaim your great morality and harangue others, whilst committing great evil (imprisoning innocents for you own benefit is evil) in your personal life. As Ani Difranco said, ' You can talk of great philosophy, but if you can't be kind to people every single day it doesn't mean that much to me.'

Normally I am quite sympathetic to people who behave badly in a period of great distress. But, seriously, I do not count wanting to shack up with your mistress an incident of great distress. Its not exactly Helen Archer cracking after years of emotional abuse and control is it?

I am just bloody fuming that the appalling complete and utter disregard of any human rights for his wife is just brushed aside as an inconvenience to be ignored to maintain the reputation of this Great Man.

Women are just dispensable it seems.

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MillytantForceit · 21/02/2019 08:06

Up to a point.

Dickens was a horrible man who wrote great stories and did many good things. He was progessive on many matters of social reform, but as a writer his female characters leave much to be desired: Mad Old Bats, spherical dragons and moaning wet drips.

He was a man of his time. On balance, he was good for the world, but maybe not for those immediately around him.

SisterWendyBuckett · 21/02/2019 08:04

Lovely bit of gaslighting from
Humphrey's and guest first thing this morning.

extraspoons · 21/02/2019 08:01

Deydod - but that bloke AGREED with him! There must be a whole cohort of people who think like that!

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extraspoons · 21/02/2019 07:59

My Irish maternal grandmother tried to get my mum incarcerated in a mental asylum as punishment for defying her fate as an eternal domestic slave to my grandmother, by eloping to England with my Dad. I wonder if Humphreys would say that doesn't make my granny a bad person too? Or is that excuse reserved to the elite male intelligensia?

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deydododatdodontdeydo · 21/02/2019 07:58

Humphrys is just awful, doesn't surprise me.
Hoping for him to retire from Mastermind so I can start watching it again.

Gentlygently · 21/02/2019 07:46

Yes that question got me screaming at the radio too.