#TeamNavratilova is gathering pace!

Fucking hell! So many of the most respected, highest achieving women of my youth, speaking out, knowing that they will be abused for doing so.

It’s made my eyes wet.

Massive props to Dr Nic for all she’s done to both prepare the ground in advance and provide ongoing support/resources for the pro female athletes now taking up the places on the frontline.

"She is arguing that from her own point of self interest and as far as I'm aware the facts that she talks about are not facts," Radcliffe responded.

From the above article -- exactly. It's all about self-interest, not at all about fairness. Me, me, me.

Sharron's strong appearance on BBC Scotland yesterday (the whole segment starts at 30.30 mins in):

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m00032pc/the-nine-04032019

I was wondering if Martina had backup from more sports people in America (other than the tennis players who backed her up in the first day or two) or whether it was really the British sports women (+ Daley!) taking this forward. There are a couple of American coaches, and it's good to see that swimmer, but the ground work that fpfw and the other campaign groups had put in has given the British stars somewhere to start.
Tessa Sanderson has tweeted agreement with Sharon.

The book of mckinnon's thesis is available on amazon - only £83.00.

fondofbeetles.wordpress.com/2018/10/01/harder-better-faster-stronger-why-we-must-protect-female-sports/

Grand Canyon between women and men

Seems fairly balanced upon a cursory read!

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/paula-radcliffe-transgender-athletes-olympics-bbc-radio-4-a8807836.html

Patrick Henningsen
‏*@21WIRE*
As a former USS competitive swimmer & coach, I applaud #SharonDavies on her brave stance here. Trans athletes in women's sports robs girls & women of an important life experience competing in #fairplay competitions. Essentially, this is men pushing women to the back of the line.

twitter.com/21WIRE/status/1102890187800104960

errol I've got a copy of that thread before it went kaput so it hasn't vanished completely into the ether.

But back on track:

Martina and Sharron have retweeted this fact-packed thread from Dr FondOfBeetles

twitter.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1102695576678866944

I know people keep blethering on about testosterone levels being lowered

But my understanding was that the accepted levels were about 10 for competing in women's sports

Which is much higher than womens

I know there was talk of lowering it to 5 (still high and doesn't take into account physiology) did that ever happen

I'd also like to see some ACTUAL levels talked about...not just someone saying they have lower levels than a women with no figures to back it up

Don't want this thread deleted for becoming a 'pile-on' (I'm still annoyed the one examining the lack of integrity shown by the 'I've got a PhD, I'm a Doctor' tweet was nuked).

So, apologies if I've contributed to a possible derail, maybe we should get back to making this a celebration of excellent women!

Anyone got a link to the interview that's provoked the narc rage?

They just come across as obnoxious. Totally kwiw farm fodder

The problem with RM isn’t that they’re ‘trans’ it’s that they’re a truly despicable individual.

So true.

Quite. The problem with RM isn’t that they’re ‘trans’ it’s that they’re a truly despicable individual.

RK comes across as such a dislikeable human being, I wonder how RK got to be that way. No empathy, no humility, no decency, no respect, no integrity.

For avoidance of doubt, disliking an individual isn't transphobic. Many of us find some other TW perfectly likeable, or admirable in some way.

I just can't get over the fact that McKinnon has a PhD in philosophy. I mean that is all about logic, argument, etc

You might want to look at the title of McKinnon's paper...which is basically all about talking nonsense and getting away with it.

RK comes across as such a dislikeable human being, I wonder how RK got to be that way. No empathy, no humility, no decency, no respect, no integrity.

I think McKinnon is realising that their dream of being carried through their hometown on the shoulders of the people, as a champion of both sports and trans rights, accompanied by cheers, music and ticker tape, isn't going to come to fruition. And man, the rage is palpable.

Someone should tell McKinnon that Jesse Owens had the decency and sense of fair play to compete against other men.
No woman has ever approached the times run or the distances jumped by Jesse Owens 83 years ago in Berlin.
Maybe someone should point that out to McKinnon if they really believe that there are no performance differences between male and female bodies.
What an odious, cheating POS McKinnon is.

I just can’t stop lolling at McKinnon talking about her “well crafted arguments”. They are appallingly crafted arguments, to the point they’re barely even crafted at all.

For starters, going on and on about testosterone and how reducing this removes any advantage while in the next breath arguing for the right to compete “without restriction”. Saying sport is a human right apparently without any appreciation at all of human rights or how they work - that (with one exception) they aren’t absolute and have to be balanced against other conflicting rights. None of what she says stands up to any scrutiny.

What was so interesting about Helen Islan is when giving evidence in court, there’s no get out of blocking, shouting bigot etc - you have to stand there and defend what you say against challenge. I would love to see Rachel McKinnon in this position - she wouldn’t last 5 minutes. By blocking anyone that doesn’t agree with her and refusing to submit to proper debate she has deluded herself into thinking she has far more credibility than she actually does.

Even on the science which she claims such expertise over, Dr FondofBeetles has totally eviscerated her arguments.