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#TeamNavratilova is gathering pace!

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SpeakUpXXWomen · 20/02/2019 12:19

Firing Martina from Allies is working out to be an own goal as more people stand up and speak out on this.

twitter.com/hashtag/TeamNavratilova?src=hash

We know how twitter works Hmm in regards to women speaking out so perhaps this thread could be a place to gather excellent quotes and pictures for people to spread across other platforms and show that Martina's views are shared not by a trickle of support but a tidal wave.

I feel in need of a very nice #TeamNavratilova picture to put on my fbook, any social media gurus around to advise?

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Katvonmythicbiowoman · 19/03/2019 18:31

The call seems to have gone out to trans hq for the comments on this BBC tweet regarding the letter our fantastic superwomen (it autocorrected to that, I thought it apt)

mobile.twitter.com/BBCSport/status/1107740960929124352

Anyone on Twitter up for posting an alternative comment?

I love how one user call the 3 ladies trans!!!! Ahem. In your dreams.

EweSurname · 18/03/2019 21:30

Yes I love the roundups! Star

BBC coverage:

Dame Kelly Holmes, Paula Radcliffe and Sharron Davies to write to IOC over transgender athletes

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/47608623

littlbrowndog · 18/03/2019 00:02

Ta for doing this speakup💪💪

SpeakUpXXWomen · 17/03/2019 22:47

I note that Helen Joyce, The Economist's Finance Editor has applauded Steve Parry's support
mobile.twitter.com/HJJoyceEcon/status/1106976814835081216
keep sticking up for female athletes please! It's not fair that so many men are letting them take all the heat, when all athletes, male and female, know perfectly well why sporting competitions are segregated by sex.

She also wrote this fantastic piece
quillette.com/2018/12/04/the-new-patriarchy-how-trans-radicalism-hurts-women-children-and-trans-people-themselves/
women’s worries about their privacy and safety should not be brushed off or shouted down, she says. That is something women had to endure for millennia, under the old-fashioned patriarchal societies of yore. And they shouldn’t have to stand for it now that it has been rekindled under a new progressive guise.

There are some interesting points about roller derby there too. I wanted to join a local team last year but was unable to justify the injury risk due to males being welcomed into the female "inclusive" team.

mobile.twitter.com/sharrond62/status/1107363650048876549
Particularly important in contact sports, where female athletes will get seriously hurt & young female athletes too

dailycaller.com/2019/03/15/sharron-davies-transgender-athletes/
mobile.twitter.com/damekellyholmes/status/1106858066677506049
Excellent interview Sharon. Well done you and we are all right behind that way of thinking. No hate just facts!

Santino Marella, sports analyst and ex wrestler, states the obvious (with a Fallon Fox sounding example) and then seems to be forced to back track a bit but the article comments and emphasis seem very much #TeamNavratilova
www.mandatory.com/wrestlezone/news/1067599-santino-marella-intergender-wrestling-dangerous
www.mandatory.com/wrestlezone/news/1068131-santino-marella-clarifies-transgender-athletes

Davies MBE bringing publicity to Girl's Jujitsu Tournament won by a boy, the thread speaks for itself.
mobile.twitter.com/sharrond62/status/1106123700695375872
The end of fair female sport if we don’t amend how transgender can be included in sport. Base sport on biology. Please.

McAlpine #iStandWithMartina shout out,
mobile.twitter.com/JoanMcAlpine/status/1107264959745019905
There is nothing "toxic" about pointing this out. Nothing "toxic" in @Martina* asking for fairness in female sport.

Navratilova on the war on children
mobile.twitter.com/Martina/status/1107400330839363584
This is too much...heartbreaking.

A quote retweeted by @Martina on another topic, relevant here too.
mobile.twitter.com/YesWeCan4Us/status/1107341801449549824
Ruth Bader Ginsburg's wonderful wisdom "Fight for the things that you care about, but do it in a way that will lead others to join you."

#fairplayforwomen

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EweSurname · 17/03/2019 17:03
Star

Sharron Davies MBE
@sharrond62
Hi
@sharrond62

@paulajradcliffe

@damekellyholmes
are sending a private letter 2 the
@iocmedia
asking 4 more research into residual benefits of transition in transgender sport. We ALL need a safe & fair place 2 compete, love more elite athletes: loads so far DM us 2add your name

EweSurname · 16/03/2019 12:21

Another Olympic athlete (and another man!) supports women’s sports

mobile.twitter.com/steparry2/status/1106887627104550912

Steve Parry
@steparry2
Replying to
@sharrond62
,
@CP_RecruitMD
and
@DailyCaller
Well done Sharron. This is an issue without alot of debate

MillytantForceit · 14/03/2019 10:11

Suspect he's working in one of Gove's education emporiums where they get any old graduate in. Aside from anything else, the juvenile down-with-the-kids "Stay Rad" vocab is grounds for barring on its own.

You are supposed to be the grown-up in the room.

andyoldlabour · 14/03/2019 10:05

"I know for a fact that Sir, who clearly does not have a teaching qualification, has been reported to Southampton safeguarding."

I actually wondered if they were in the teaching profession or merely a fantasist. There are a lot of retweets from Green party and "woke" Labour stuff on their feed.

MillytantForceit · 14/03/2019 09:39

I know for a fact that Sir, who clearly does not have a teaching qualification, has been reported to Southampton safeguarding.

andyoldlabour · 14/03/2019 09:37

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JessicaWakefieldSVH · 13/03/2019 22:33

Love Martina! Thanks for the updates :)

SpeakUpXXWomen · 13/03/2019 21:54

#TeamNavratilova standing firm!
twitter.com/Martina/status/1105856032712978432
Unless you want to completely remake what Women’s Sports means, there can be no blanket inclusion rule. There is nothing stereotypical about this- it’s about fairness and it’s about science.

Comprehensive look at women's sport
www.wnd.com/2017/03/female-athletes-crushed-by-women-who-were-once-men/
It also contributes to a sort of mass delusion infecting our whole society in which, thanks to the influence of the powerful LGBT movement, everybody now has to either affirm the absurd and crazy – that a man who is essentially a female impersonator can fairly compete against women – or they have to suffer abuse and persecution as bigots just for speaking the truth.

Good article linked by Davies MBE
uncommongroundmedia.com/sportswomens-rights-are-womens-rights/
It is irrefutable that male biology, and therefore male sports performance, is different to female biology and therefore female sports performance. The cause is seen by most people as just.

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SpeakUpXXWomen · 11/03/2019 22:18

xpost ewesurname! Can you find a link to the interview?

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SpeakUpXXWomen · 11/03/2019 22:17

Needs sharing ...
www.holyrood.com/articles/comment/biological-sex-legal-cornerstone-women%E2%80%99s-rights-fair-treatment
We believe the burden of proof remains with those who do not think robust data on sex, whether legal or biological, is still needed.

Glorious Holmes appreciation thread from Dr Beetle
twitter.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1105175967763451905
the first Brit since 1920 to win two gold medals at the same games. An amazing athlete, we will all agree.

twitter.com/sharrond62/status/1105220713638694912
Great TalkSport interview tonight... surprised the guys they had no idea how bad the situation was! I think a lot of people aren’t grasping how terrible this is for woman’s sport.

twitter.com/DykeSolidarity/status/1058331612444676096
Sports solution: Women's Category & Open Category for men, transitioning males, nontransitioning males, women using testosterone, & all others who want to compete (w/in reasonable hormonal ranges). Simple. Women's class stays protected, men finally put skin in game. @Olympics**

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EweSurname · 11/03/2019 22:15

Sharron Davies MBE
@sharrond62
Great TalkSport interview tonight... surprised the guys they had no idea how bad the situation was! I think a lot of people aren’t grasping how terrible this is for woman’s sport. No surgery, no horemones, no medical diagnosis, one years reduced T. Self ID. Have a listen if about

MillytantForceit · 11/03/2019 16:56

I notice no one's threatened to duff up Sgt Holmes yet.

ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/640x360/p05lklp2.jpg

JessicaWakefieldSVH · 11/03/2019 14:37

Davies and others are looking to create a website where athletes who fear speaking out can anonymously submit their views on transgender participation in sport.

That’s great!!

Love Kelly Holmes comment re Brit gymnastics. This is excellent!

SpeakUpXXWomen · 11/03/2019 14:35

Oh my beating heart!
twitter.com/ChristieLinford/status/1104749363421765632
WTF!!!!!

news.sky.com/story/sky-views-sports-transgender-debate-has-been-hijacked-by-hate-11661596
Davies and others are looking to create a website where athletes who fear speaking out can anonymously submit their views on transgender participation in sport.

twitter.com/damekellyholmes/status/1104705706542944257
have girls been asked what they think of boys who identify as girls undressing in front of them @BritGymnastics* *

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/10/two-thirds-british-public-think-cheating-women-born-male-compete/
70 per cent of males agree

#TeamNavratilova
twitter.com/ThrupennyBit/status/1104884056070725633
@Martina back being heard now we can stand beside her... brave to speak out, females need to stand next to each other & protect our rights together

twitter.com/Martina/status/1104617109416370178
Not eaten my dear- I am still here, not to worry:)

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HumberElla · 10/03/2019 12:18

The leotards thing is ridiculous. Just such obvious bulsh*t.

sackrifice · 10/03/2019 09:38

One mother, whose nine-year-old daughter competes as a gymnast, said: ‘For a long time, parents have been asking British Gymnastics why do girls have to wear leotards – could they wear shorts or leggings? So now they’ve changed the rules, but to protect boys and not the girls.’

This is the whole damn problem in a nutshell. Well done that mother.

thirdfiddle · 10/03/2019 09:11

That article by JCJ. Set in contrast to RM's carefully reasoned "shut the f* up transphobes". Our philosopher's better than your philosopher :p

ChattyLion · 10/03/2019 07:52

Amazing posts and links on here thanks everyone it is great to have these collected together. Makes it much easier to talk to others about this issue with all these examples to hand.

Ella I completely agree with you. I feel that sport is the tip of the iceberg of issues where we need sunlight and reality to be reapplied, but I feel hopeful that we will get there in time and sport is so significant in having been the issue that is starting that process of questioning. Smile

RedToothBrush · 10/03/2019 07:49

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6791187/Now-girl-gymnasts-share-changing-rooms-boys-identify-female.html
Now girl gymnasts have to share changing rooms with boys who identify as female (and trans girls don't have to wear 'revealing' leotards)

Sanchez Manning article

RedToothBrush · 10/03/2019 07:24

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/paralympic-star-tanni-grey-thompson-weighs-in-on-trans-sport-row-dwh90l97g
Paralympic star Tanni Grey-Thompson weighs in on trans sport row

SpeakUpXXWomen · 10/03/2019 00:51

www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/03/the_menonly_olympics.html#.XIJO7BCGz9o.twitter
Other countries aren't going to hesitate to field "transgender" men in women's competitions.

nypost.com/2019/03/04/trans-athletes-are-making-a-travesty-of-womens-sports/
We live in an age when stating the obvious is forbidden, and women’s sport may never be quite the same again.

thefederalist.com/2019/03/08/martina-navratilova-beat-communism-owned-tennis-got-eaten-transgender-mob/#.XIQ3BuSC6Ic.twitter
A woman unbroken by communism and vicious homophobia was forced to accommodate the perpetually outraged virtue signalers. That’s awesome power for the supposedly powerless.

Get this signed and out far and wide...
www.womensdeclaration.com/
This Declaration reaffirms the sex-based rights of women

twitter.com/emmajaned0lan/status/1104501464670633985
Wrong side of history my arse

janeclarejones.com/2018/09/09/gay-rights-and-trans-rights-a-compare-and-contrast/
Right now, women, feminists, lesbians, gay and straight men, intersex people, concerned parents, and many non-ideologue transwomen are fighting tooth and nail to stop the roll back of rights

twitter.com/BDimyon/status/1104490543919304709

twitter.com/TeamGB/status/1104056685503623169

twitter.com/search?f=tweets&q=martina%20navratilova&src=typd

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/paralympic-star-tanni-grey-thompson-weighs-in-on-trans-sport-row-dwh90l97g

twitter.com/sharrond62/status/1104331071330676738
Speak out unless you really don’t care about a level playing field for females. It doesn’t have to be a shout just a supportive yes I’d like fairness please

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